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Old 07-03-2013 | 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben Salley
Understood, but I was a EWR Captain in '08, IAH CA last Summer.

Take a look at the block hours per side prior to UPA ratification. The 6,000 hours that we are waisting on DH will help, as will the 2% reduction. Now, go through LOA 26 and discern what has been implemented, and what remains (manpower negative) and Houston, we have a huge problem. It's a lot more complicated than I care to broach in a forum post, but I personally don't see the bodies to actually cash the check.

Talk to your own Rep first. If you wish to discuss it further, pm or call. Off to my redeye

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In 08 you were a Captain. In 2010 you went backwards to FO.

So your airline was shrinking and the merger reversed that.

Good luck with your SLI prediction. I'll bet my 15 years longevity at MAD date against your 5 any day....
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Old 07-03-2013 | 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LAX Pilot
In 08 you were a Captain. In 2010 you went backwards to FO.

So your airline was shrinking and the merger reversed that.

Good luck with your SLI prediction. I'll bet my 15 years longevity at MAD date against your 5 any day....
Good Luck to us all LAX
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Old 07-03-2013 | 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben Salley
Good Luck to us all LAX
Because we are going to need it in more ways than the obvious.
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Old 07-03-2013 | 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben Salley
Understood, but I was a EWR Captain in '08, IAH CA last Summer.

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So you were actually a Captain? Really? You were actually a Captain that got trained and flew as a Captain? Finished OE, flew a schedule? Or, did you just potentially hold a Cap bid if nothing changed before the next system bid that would completely realign the CAL world. I still can't understand a system that basically says - sure, you might hold Captain if nothing changes between now and potentially, umm... sometime in the future. Doesn't mean you are one. I, however have constantly held Captain since 1999, have actually flown Captain for over 9 years at UAL (not UEX), and can still hold it today as a lineholder in most bases and intend to bid it just as soon as we actually have a bid. Yet the CAL list has me slotted with 2005, who didn't even hold Captain in 2010 with 5 years longevity max. I had 15. I've held Cap since 2000, and flew it for 9. Sure slot me with someone who had never held it, never flew it, and might never hold a widebody Cap due to lack of widebodies potentially based on age. Spare me the violin song, Ben.

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Old 07-03-2013 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
So you were actually a Captain? Really? You were actually a Captain that got trained and flew as a Captain? Finished OE, flew a schedule? Or, did you just potentially hold a Cap bid if nothing changed before the next system bid that would completely realign the CAL world. I still can't understand a system that basically says - sure, you might hold Captain if nothing changes between now and potentially, umm... sometime in the future. Doesn't mean you are one. I, however have constantly held Captain since 1999, have actually flown Captain for over 9 years at UAL (not UEX), and can still hold it today as a lineholder in most bases and intend to bid it just as soon as we actually have a bid. Yet the CAL list has me slotted with 2005, who didn't even hold Captain in 2010 with 5 years longevity max. I had 15. I've held Cap since 2000, and flew it for 9. Sure slot me with someone who had never held it, never flew it, and might never hold a widebody Cap due to lack of widebodies potentially based on age. Spare me the violin song, Ben.

Scott
Scott, no violin. You're gonna be WAY senior to me. You should be, but you got hired at 23 (big congrats on that), but not exactly the baseline. Be thankful that you'll never have to learn the CAL system bid process; vacancy bidding is much more realistic.

Yes, I flew as Captain in '08-'09.

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Old 07-03-2013 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ben Salley
Scott, no violin. You're gonna be WAY senior to me. You should be, but you got hired at 23 (big congrats on that), but not exactly the baseline. Be thankful that you'll never have to learn the CAL system bid process; vacancy bidding is much more realistic.

Yes, I flew as Captain in '08-'09.

-Ben
Almost 22, actually. Got lucky. Believe me, I know. Slam/comment on me all you want (I know you aren't, just making fun, but feel free) I'm comfortable with who I am, where I come from and what I've done while I've been here. FWIW, I came from an airline family, had 3500tt, flew night freight all through college, had no college life, and paid for my college on my own while flying anything, anywhere and pretty much anytime. Not an unusual story. Incredibly lucky. I get it.

That said, the bubbas immediately ahead and behind me were Mil pilots in their early 30's with similar time. Around them were 10k+ hour 30+ year old pilots with a decade or more in the industry. Leverage what you want, just understand that the UAL side isn't lacking in experience in this range of seniority, regardless of what you think of me.

Doesn't change the fact that the CAL proposal places you 400 senior to my group, with around a third the longevity. Glad I never have to see the CAL sys bid process. The vacancy bid process actually works pretty well.

Scott
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Old 07-03-2013 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Stoops
Almost 22, actually. Got lucky. Believe me, I know. Slam/comment on me all you want (I know you aren't, just making fun, but feel free) I'm comfortable with who I am, where I come from and what I've done while I've been here. FWIW, I came from an airline family, had 3500tt, flew night freight all through college, had no college life, and paid for my college on my own while flying anything, anywhere and pretty much anytime. Not an unusual story. Incredibly lucky. I get it.

That said, the bubbas immediately ahead and behind me were Mil pilots in their early 30's with similar time. Around them were 10k+ hour 30+ year old pilots with a decade or more in the industry. Leverage what you want, just understand that the UAL side isn't lacking in experience in this range of seniority, regardless of what you think of me.

Doesn't change the fact that the CAL proposal places you 400 senior to my group, with around a third the longevity. Glad I never have to see the CAL sys bid process. The vacancy bid process actually works pretty well.

Scott

I really meant congrats genuinely. I thought I was pretty cordial. Another weakness of web communication

-Ben
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Old 07-03-2013 | 07:49 PM
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Ben,

Keep in mind that there are quite a few lual pilots who saw the seniority issues during Usair merger attempt of 2000. Issues which are not far removed from where you find yourself now.
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Old 07-04-2013 | 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ben Salley
I've made no predictions as to what the arbs hand back, as I've been through this a couple times before; UAL 2000, AmWest 2005. I've not attempted to fruitlessly argue the sli on this board. I'm very proud of how the IAH Pilots have handled themselves thus far; not much panic or excitement, threats of litigation or ALPA decertification threats over here. Thanks for the unsolicited advise, but my team and I will do just what we need to manage morale in IAH. And prepare for whatever outcome should arise.

Frats,

-Ben
You've continuously laid claim to all growth that has occurred to the present day. You are contributing to the 'expectations bubble' - but I guess you and your team are gonna show me how it's done

I'll sit back and watch and learn....
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Old 07-04-2013 | 04:51 AM
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Hmmmm....

"Got Damned it" Ben has TWO Sign on Avatars.........???????


A320 Fumes? and Ben Salley? I am so confused.......
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