Ben,

Your BES % is irrelevant because you are merging with a larger pilot group with many more seats on the 756.

As an elected rep, for you to set your pilot's expectations that they should stay the same BES % is a huge disservice and will breed animosity among them once the SLI is announced.

Between that and your wonderful IAH update last month, your two faced "can't wait to work together" mantra is a bunch of B.S., if you ask me.

 

Good for you, Ben. I flew as Captain in '07- '09, and yet I am stapled to the bottom of your side's SLI proposal. Too bad (for both of us) the merger was in 2010, huh?

Sled

PS. I've never been furloughed

 

Actually this is not "100%" true.
I brought this point up already in another post- but will reiterate it here.
There are Furloughed (2x, not yet recalled to the LUAL Side either) LUAL Pilots who accepted positions on the LCAL Side (Per the TPA).

If the LUAL Proposal were implemented, they would be senior to themselves (!) and more importantly, immediately move up on their respective BES and therefore push current LCAL Pilots backwards overnight.

Also.. how is it going to work regarding the LUAL Voluntary Furlough Pilots?
It is my understanding that they have recall rights into the position they left from, ie "Jumbo" Capt (etc...)
I also believe that there is such a pilot flying as an FO in Guam on the 73 (took the LCAL Rehire position per the TPA).
Obviously, that pilot should slide into the SLI wherever he would have been on his original LUAL List. (I don't see the Vol Furlough the same way as InVol Furlough).
BUT
Now all of a sudden, will that "junior" current 737 Guam FO be able to put in a bid for 737 Guam Capt?!

Again, there are many little weird situations with the SLI due to the fact that one side had many furloughs, another had a few.. one side was getting new aircraft, another side wasn't.. And then you started allowing one side to hire from the other sides Furlough List.

Guess we'll know in 2 months~

Motch

 

Everything you mentioned has nothing to do with people losing their seats.

 

Please explain...
I never stated that anyone would "lose their seat"..
But 'Flush Bid' has been thrown out there and also a LUAL Pilot mentioned that "BES % is irrelevant". I disagree.

If you (on either side) are bidding 50% on you equipment, in your seat and in your base.. and you immediately move to 70 or 80% bidding power, that's huge [in my opinion].
It has an impact on your earnings. It has an impact on your QoL.
And this could potentially happen within one did month on the the LCAL Side.

Again, I was trying to point out that even though there is suppose to be 'No Flush Bid", the results of this SLI could have somewhat of the same effect for certain pilots.

What is your solution for the LUAL Voluntary Furloughs who held Captain Seats at LUAL and are now flying as FO's on the LCAL Side on the 737 and 756?
Should they be seat locked wherever they are now?
Should they be forced to go back to the Left Seat that they held?
Interesting dilemma, huh..

Motch

PS> Will you admit that the 200 or so Voluntary Furloughs actually saved the bottom current 200 or so Active Pilots at LUAL?
Again, I expect that the InVol Furloughs will be placed in the SLI as if they had never left. And that has to be the way it is... IF the No 1. guy on the LUAL List has taken an InVol Furlough, he'd still be the No 1. guy!

 

The Voluntary Furloughs will go back to whatever position they had or could hold(if said position is available), BUT only after there is a recall. That recall will happen after SLI. Now that same could be true IF along with the initial recall a few months ago, those positions had been available, IE A320 CAP, B747 CAP etc.

 

I was under the impression that ONCE recalls at LUAL began, any Vol Furlough had the right to return to work.. regardless of if a position was available or not (referring to whatever seat they left).

So, what happens to the VolFur who was a 757 Capt.. and they park the 75's? Does he never get a chance to return?!

Again, come 1 Oct (hypothetically) and we have a List.. the Guam 737 FO who was a Vol Furlough ex 747 Captain (or widebody FO...), does he go back to his previous position, of does he bid 737 Capt Guam..
And while he's waiting to decide/go to training.. does he all of a sudden bid No. 1 FO, Guam 737?!

Wild, huh..
Motch

 

Mostly correct. The VF had to be officially recalled, not just when somebody senior to him was recalled. But once recalled, the VF can bypass or take a class date.

He can return whenever he accepts an available recall class date.

The vol. furloughee automatically returns to his previous BES. If that BES is no longer in existence, or the VF can no longer hold it, he has bumping rights to any BES he can hold.

 

Thanks Cadet..
Wasn't aware of the finer points of the VolFur Recall process.
So, since LUAL HAS started to recall.. those VolFur pilots who were senior to the most junior recalled pilot may return.
But.. they can only return to the position they held, or whatever they could hold now.. correct?!
So a 756 Capt or FO may still return to that seat, even if it's not technically available to those being recalled, right? But they can't move into anything higher than what they could actually hold now?

This will be interesting for those VolFur who are on the LCAL side for sure~

Thanks
Motch

 

Would have already happened. All of the vol furlough recalls from the UAL side would have been offered and either already accepted and been trained, stayed put if at CAL or bypassed, accepted and gone on mil leave, or bypassed. The latest set of recall notices were all invol furlough recalls. I had a friend in the bunch that was vol furlough that has trained in March and has a month+ on the line as of now. Not sure what the total effect was, but it must be minor, as we haven't heard anything about it.

Scott