CousinEddie

Kilder,

And no wonder you think that no furlough = staple job

Kilder

I don't believe in that...Our list is based on the ALPA merger tenets, and that is how the list should look based on the movement, growth and efficiency of the CAL pilots compared to the stagnation, shrinkage and overstaffed situation of the UAL pilots...

But we shall see in less than a week...

horrido27

OM/JB...
I need to correct you (and others) about the above statement. And since I was at the meeting, I feel I have a right to speak (write).

Two LUAL Furloughs/CAL Newhires were asked to leave when TM (part of the LCAL Merger Committee) got up to do a presentation and Q&A. No one was "tossed out of a union meeting".
The two pilots in question made no fuss... didn't object nor did Rob S (LUAL NYC VC) complain. They were out of the room for maybe 15 mins.

Had they said something.. I would image the outcome would have been different.

On numerous forums/threads, the phrases "Kicked Out" and "Tossed" has been used. That is just not true and is sensationalizing what happened.

We have a long way to go before there is unity with this new, combined Pilot Group. Come Tues (Aug 27) we will see which names are on the ballot and hopefully continue to make small steps towards Unity.
But pilots continuing to write posts about something that they were not actually at does not help. Just my opinion~

Motch

Sunvox

Motch,

You know I respect your opinion, but I will have to disagree on this one. If I was in a room full of peers and I was "asked to leave", I would not argue at the time as it would be fruitless, but obviously no one attending a meeting would choose to leave on their own so whether it was a polite request or not, the pilots were "asked to leave"="kicked out"="tossed out". If you are trying to build unity you don't keep secrets, you discuss your concerns openly, intelligently, and with an open mind. Asking a fellow member of ALPA to leave an ALPA meeting because they are affiliated with another group is to me not unlike interning Japanese during WWII. It is prejudicial and short sighted, and I must admit very much in keeping with what I have come to expect from the CAL-ALPA leadership. All in all the story leaves a horribly bitter taste in my mouth, and I will be coming to New York on the 76 soon enough so I'll be flying with some of the pilots at this meeting for sure. I only hope we can all keep this out of the cockpits. Good-news is I have never had anything less than a stellar experience with CAL pilots that I meet on the line, and I fully anticipate that will hold true in the future.

Joe

APC225

Mitch, was any reason given why? They were paying dues to LCAL, one, and, two, any sensitive strategies having to so with the merger seems behind us now. The arbs decisions are done, they're just dotting the i's now. In your opinion, having heard what was discussed for these 15 minutes, do you think this was necessary?

DMC12

Why would they be asked to leave? That makes no sense???

AxlF16

They were taking bets on how many LUAL lawsuits were coming

horrido27

Guys..
I'm gonna make this last post regarding this issue and then I'm done with it. Take it for what it's worth but at the end of the day.. whatever.

1) I have been "Kicked out" of clubs/bars in both NYC and other places (in my lifetime). It was always due to a fight or argument. In every case, it was "heated" and I was not welcomed back in!
In the case of the 2 pilots in question- nothing was heated and they were welcomed back.
B) The idea that these two individuals wouldn't voice their opinion is (in my opinion) FALSE. Both spoke out loud during the meeting about issues and one was present at the Feb meeting where I attempted to Recall both Capt & FO Reps. This pilot is definitely not afraid to stand up and be heard. They were asked to leave by someone (either the Reps or the speaker) because there was going to be discussions from a Merger Committee member and they (Capt/FO/MCmember) felt that it was a CAL issue.
[My opinion.. after all was said and done, there was nothing super secret or "classified" that would have been an issue. But that was my opinion After The Fact]

iii) How about you guys reach out to the two members themselves.. or to Rob S WHO WAS ALSO PRESENT and asked to step out! Ask them how bad this was/is and what should be done about it.
Also.. how many of you have written to Tara Cook and asked her about it. She was/is the sitting FO Rep and is trying to get on the Ballot for FO Rep?

It's over.. a handful of guys are trying to make it out to be more than it was.
I also want to add that last year I attempted to attend a LUAL Local Council meeting. This was after the Profit Sharing Debacle. My Guard buddy was going and I was going to join him. A couple of days before the meeting he told me that he had spoken with his Rep (can't remember which one..) and was told that it was not a good idea for me to attend.
Ok.. no worries. Life went on.

Come Tues we will have names on the Ballots to choose from.
I hope mine is one of them.
With regards to the Capt Rep.. it will be "interesting" to see which names make it on. I have my hopes there, along with RV (possibly the only name) for SecTres!.
I suggest that everyone from the New, NYC Council 5 get involved and reach out to the candidates to see who earns their vote.

Have a good one~
Motch

Kilder

Ok, so now Unity = Give up

So now you want our Rep. bases, our 787's, our Captain seats our growth...what's next our homes, wife's and children???

Kilder

She's very cute, 5'7, 125lbs and long brunette hair and works out every day but that's not the point...I think Motch brings a lot of energy into the Rep position, I don't agree with everything he says, but he seems to favor no side over the other. I think he will be a good rep for all New York pilots.