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Old 08-30-2013 | 04:48 PM
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Lambourne just corrected your thorough research there Eddie. UAL was not serving NRT-HKG prior to this merger.
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Old 08-30-2013 | 04:51 PM
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I stand corrected on the continuity of the route over the years. Nevertheless, we lost. Are we at least going to kick DAL out of EWR-CDG?
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Old 08-30-2013 | 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie:1473651
We discontinue NRT-HKG service

Posted August 30, 2013

We are exiting NRT-HKG (Hong Kong) service with the last operation on Oct. 26, 2013. The change will be loaded in SHARES on Aug. 31. We will re-accommodate affected customers on other airlines or provide refunds.
While we have made this decision because of the segment’s poor financial performance, we continue to monitor opportunities for profitable service in the
Asia-Pacific region.




I believe all the high yield customers on this route re-accommodated themselves upon the route going to a 737. Funny how UAL never shed this route despite: The 1997 Asian Financial Crisis, 9/11, SARS, Chapter 11, the 2008 global financial crisis, and so on. But now it just doesn't work. You're going to love the changes.....
Ual used to run 747s and 777 on the route. Now its 737s. There are too many players in the market
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Old 08-31-2013 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by seattlepilot
Ual used to run 747s and 777 on the route. Now its 737s. There are too many players in the market
"Pre-Merger"......Didn't L-UA have rights to multiple (possibly several) inner-Asia point-to-point routes, that were 'dormate', and not being used for quite some time??
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Old 08-31-2013 | 07:23 AM
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I wonder if the marketing and revenue management guys have a forum to talk flying?
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Old 08-31-2013 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalGuy
"Pre-Merger"......Didn't L-UA have rights to multiple (possibly several) inner-Asia point-to-point routes, that were 'dormate', and not being used for quite some time??
Yes, apparently several route authorities in the Pacific from the Pan Am purchase in '91.
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Old 08-31-2013 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Jaded N Cynical
I wonder if the marketing and revenue management guys have a forum to talk flying?
Don't know. But there is a boardroom in ATL where they are pleased with our lack of execution in those departments.
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Old 09-01-2013 | 06:10 AM
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There is a big difference between a route that makes money and a route that we pilots assume should make money. I've seen way too many pilots scream about a loss of a city or a change of a hotel simply because they liked flying there, had a girlfriend there or their favorite restaurant was nearby. There are simply markets we will not be able to penetrate due to market forces and the local passenger preference. One great example of that is Tel Aviv. DAL has been in and out of that market with different airplanes to different cities yet CAL filled two airplanes a day since we started flying there.

Another example is when we switched to LHR from LGW. Our pilots had a coronary and chalked it up as the stupidest decision ever because our loads appeared to drop, now it's one of the most profitable cities.

Long story short, we are good at flying airplanes but most pilots would suck a running an airline.
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Old 09-01-2013 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Toddnel
There is a big difference between a route that makes money and a route that we pilots assume should make money. I've seen way too many pilots scream about a loss of a city or a change of a hotel simply because they liked flying there, had a girlfriend there or their favorite restaurant was nearby. There are simply markets we will not be able to penetrate due to market forces and the local passenger preference. One great example of that is Tel Aviv. DAL has been in and out of that market with different airplanes to different cities yet CAL filled two airplanes a day since we started flying there.

Another example is when we switched to LHR from LGW. Our pilots had a coronary and chalked it up as the stupidest decision ever because our loads appeared to drop, now it's one of the most profitable cities.

Long story short, we are good at flying airplanes but most pilots would suck a running an airline.
So the same as those who actually ARE running the airline then?

Sorry.... Couldn't resist.
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Old 09-01-2013 | 07:26 AM
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I will trade any day of the week a inter Asia flight for a new transpacific flight. Denver Tokyo is better use of a landing slot then Tokyo Hong Kong. Let us look at it this way, how would you feel if ANA started Chicago London? We would scream bloody murder. We always choose to be hypocritical when its in our favor.
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