Pre-post ISL percentages
09-04-2013, 05:43 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by DMC12
Is the list posted last night based on 2010 numbers? I am 75% on that list, but in 2010 I was about 77%.
Or, is that list from last night current as of today?
Or, is that list from last night current as of today?
09-04-2013, 06:43 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by jsled
Pre ISL..........67% (80% active)
Post ISL........64%
Note: I only slid 179 CAL numbers below the UAL proposal. Gained 1800+ CAL numbers from the CAL proposed staple job. That speaks volumes.
Post ISL........64%
Note: I only slid 179 CAL numbers below the UAL proposal. Gained 1800+ CAL numbers from the CAL proposed staple job. That speaks volumes.
I am fine with the list and I hope we can move on and make the New UAL a great place to work.
As the Beatles said Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da life goes on
09-04-2013, 06:44 AM
#14
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Originally Posted by Really
Real question since you always seem to be level headed. When you use Pre LUAL list # is that your UAL % on the May 2010 seniority list? I really don't know what my % was at that time at LCAL? 
Honestly, I really didn't care since I didn't have much control over it. The list went pretty much as I anticipated "relative seniority"! Except for the guys that were junior around the 70%/80% for CAL and 100% + for the UAL guys. Is that how you (or Hoss can answer to since he's pretty level headed also!) read the new list. I'll try to figure mine # out and come back and give you a more accurate one after your guys response!
My % on the SLI= 34% and I think I was real close to that on May 2010 CAL list. I do think the only people that have a "beef" on this whole thing are the NON furloughed pilots at CAL that were put behind the furloughed pilots at UAL? One of Hoss's big points!! And no Hoss, I'm not trying to "flame" you, I actually agreed with you on a prior ISL post, I just want to see if you feel the same now that it's CAL pilots getting your "unfair scenario"?
Honestly, I really didn't care since I didn't have much control over it. The list went pretty much as I anticipated "relative seniority"! Except for the guys that were junior around the 70%/80% for CAL and 100% + for the UAL guys. Is that how you (or Hoss can answer to since he's pretty level headed also!) read the new list. I'll try to figure mine # out and come back and give you a more accurate one after your guys response!My % on the SLI= 34% and I think I was real close to that on May 2010 CAL list. I do think the only people that have a "beef" on this whole thing are the NON furloughed pilots at CAL that were put behind the furloughed pilots at UAL? One of Hoss's big points!! And no Hoss, I'm not trying to "flame" you, I actually agreed with you on a prior ISL post, I just want to see if you feel the same now that it's CAL pilots getting your "unfair scenario"?
Indeed. The numbers I was using were the 2010 numbers that were listed on the LUAL initial proposed seniority list. That number lined up with my current LUAL percentage within .5% (or at least current as of July... we only get our seniority updated once a year). So essentially during the last 3 years my percentage has gone unchanged due to limited retirements and general LUAL shrinkage. The initial LUAL proposal would have given me a 1.2% bump, and the final list kept me within .5% of relative seniority.
As far as I can tell, you are correct in your assumption that for most of the list it stayed pretty close to relative seniority until you get down towards the bottom.
If you don't have access to the LUAL proposed list that had your 2010 percentage and the proposed change shoot me a PM with your email and I'll send along the PDF. Someone on the forum kindly pointed me to it on the LUAL MEC site last night.
09-04-2013, 06:45 AM
#15
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Originally Posted by jsled
Corrected to current as of today without the constructive notice pilots (new hires).
09-04-2013, 07:02 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by gettinbumped
I don't think so. I think it was corrected to April 2013. There are many pilots still on the list that have retired in the last 5 months.
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09-04-2013, 03:19 PM
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UAL pre 11% below me
now 9.5% below me
at retirement (pilots senior to me):
UAL pre 8%
now 19%
but hey that's life. Can't complain, I mean really what good does it do to get your blood pressure up (unless you are senior to me and younger) 
cheers,
T
now 9.5% below me
at retirement (pilots senior to me):
UAL pre 8%
now 19%
but hey that's life. Can't complain, I mean really what good does it do to get your blood pressure up (unless you are senior to me and younger) cheers,
T
09-04-2013, 03:21 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by jsled
They used the Oct 2010 lists to construct the ISL (65%/35%), then removed individuals not on the list as of April 1, 2013. If that's what you mean, then you are correct. See page 36/37 of the award. I misspoke. Didn't mean "today", but instead the 2013 certified lists.
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