When will bidding mania begin?
#41
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
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Take that UPS!! You guys are about you according to TK!! Time to come to ALPA!! He doesn't care that it's worked for you forever!! It's a SLI conspiracy over here!!
#42
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Posts: 222
I don't really care what other carriers do.
#43
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 178
tk, didn't UAL ALREADY have pay banding pre-merger? Man that must of sucked to swallow that knowing the merger was coming.
#44
#45
For LCAL pilots new to this system, pay attention to the power of unadvertised vacancies, particularly as it involves covering attrition as senior pilots retire and the resulting importance of "standing" bids.
Example: UAL Posts a small vacancy bid with only 40 777 CA positions (~10% of next year's attrition)
Is this a bid with 40 vacancies? Nope.
In an imaginary "stovepipe" scenario this will result in 40 CAs bidding off the 767 which results in 40 CAs bidding off the 737 which results in 40 777 FOs bidding 737 CA and so on....
A small bid for large equipment can result in several hundred subsequent bid awards and training events in bases, equipment, and seats that were never part of the advertised bid.
Thus, one should always have a "standing bid" for the BES one really wants and never have anything in the computer that is not 100% desired because you just might get it even if you didn't think the bid would affect you.
Example: UAL Posts a small vacancy bid with only 40 777 CA positions (~10% of next year's attrition)
Is this a bid with 40 vacancies? Nope.
In an imaginary "stovepipe" scenario this will result in 40 CAs bidding off the 767 which results in 40 CAs bidding off the 737 which results in 40 777 FOs bidding 737 CA and so on....
A small bid for large equipment can result in several hundred subsequent bid awards and training events in bases, equipment, and seats that were never part of the advertised bid.
Thus, one should always have a "standing bid" for the BES one really wants and never have anything in the computer that is not 100% desired because you just might get it even if you didn't think the bid would affect you.
Yes, beware of what you wish for, you might get it.
#46
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: A320 Driver
Posts: 74
UAL had three pay bands pre-merger as a result of the bankruptcy contract. 747 & 777, 757 & 767, and the A319/320 banded with the 737. The negotiating committee had orders to do away with as much banding as possible in the event we managed to achieve a contract before any merger.
#48
Don't say Guppy
Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Guppy driver
Posts: 1,926
ALPA has fought many battles since I have been here. Let me think......
RJ's are practice jets for practicing pilots - never at mainline!!!!!
NO national seniority list.
Age 65, despite the members overwhelming opposition.
The result? Non-ALPA carriers now make as much or more than ALPA carriers. 50 seat captains make more per seat-mile flown than mainline pilots. Corporate pilots now look UP into the cockpit of their lower paid peers.
RJ's are practice jets for practicing pilots - never at mainline!!!!!
NO national seniority list.
Age 65, despite the members overwhelming opposition.
The result? Non-ALPA carriers now make as much or more than ALPA carriers. 50 seat captains make more per seat-mile flown than mainline pilots. Corporate pilots now look UP into the cockpit of their lower paid peers.
#49
#50
Pilot jobs at non union carriers pay less overall than pilot jobs at union carriers, all other things being equal.
Using this analogy, a 747 should pay 2.5 times what a guppy makes, which isn't possible with the stupid pay banding to a 767-400.
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