Originally Posted by Birddog
(Post 1489585)
Jsled, joking aside vacancy bids will be limited once displacement Bid 14-02D is awarded. Get your expectations down.
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Jsled,
You are like the energizer bunny. Ok, more blunt. There will be no 737 or 757 Captain bids for a long long time. Birddod |
It was supposed to be out yesterday per official comm. Makes one wonder if they ran into some big uh-oh before posting it. Usually, if they miss the day it supposed to be out it a few days after so I wouldn't hold my breath. Shame is it impacts so many people across the board the angst is understandable.
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Originally Posted by Birddog
(Post 1489600)
Jsled,
You are like the energizer bunny. Ok, more blunt. There will be no 737 or 757 Captain bids for a long long time. Birddod |
Originally Posted by dvhighdrive88
(Post 1489601)
It was supposed to be out yesterday per official comm. Makes one wonder if they ran into some big uh-oh before posting it. Usually, if they miss the day it supposed to be out it a few days after so I wouldn't hold my breath. Shame is it impacts so many people across the board the angst is understandable.
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Seniority is forever, sure. But it doesn't do you a damn bit of good when the bumps fill the place up for a year. Then the bumpee's are protected by the company shrinking the 767's through attrition and going fat on manning reducing vacancies. The S-UAL pilots may be in for a shock. We'll see soon. Hope I'm wrong.
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Originally Posted by Birddog
(Post 1489615)
Seniority is forever, sure. But it doesn't do you a damn bit of good when the bumps fill the place up for a year. Then the bumpee's are protected by the company shrinking the 767's through attrition and going fat on manning reducing vacancies. The S-UAL pilots may be in for a shock. We'll see soon. Hope I'm wrong.
SFO and also ORD need so many more 737 assignments as we go forward to efficiently fly the trips, that I think it will start with SFO bids and once whatever bumps have to happen from 14-02 have their first round complete, you will start to see other bids. The other thing that I would expect to see is 320 bids in both EWR and IAH. Again the junior folks on 14-02 won't be able to hold Captain on the Bus for some time, so I don't think the bumps off of 14-02 will affect that either. |
1. “Qualification Training”
The UAL Committee’s pilots in training proposed C&R (Number 1.3) is as follows: Pilots who, at the time of implementation of an integrated seniority list, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A-319 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the Integrated Seniority List. Two of the CAL Committee's proposed C&Rs address pilots in training: Neither the implementation of the ISL nor the implementation or expiration of a condition or restriction herein, in and of itself, shall cause the displacement of any pilot from his or her then-current position (including a pilot who has been awarded a position but has not commenced or completed training). Pilots who, at the time of implementation of the ISL, are in the process of completing or who have completed qualification training for a new position (e.g., B-777 Captain or A320 First Officer) may be assigned to the position for which they are being or have been trained, regardless of their relative standing on the ISL. Pilots awarded new positions shall be considered as “in the process of completing . . . qualification training for a new position”, within the meaning of this provision, unless and until they have cancelled their bids for the new positions, withdrawn from training, failed the training without further recourse to further training, or successfully completed the training. The CAL Committee’s training protection proposals include “a pilot who has been awarded a position but has not commenced or completed training.” (Emphasis added). That expanded definition would have the Board sweep into protective coverage some 400 CAL pilots awarded tentative February 2014 positions in the January 2013 CAL Bid 14-02. As of the close of these arbitration hearings, many of those individuals had not even been awarded a training date, let alone begun training. Moreover, treating them as “currently in” those positions or “in the process of completing training” would unilaterally rewrite language mutually agreed to by the CAL pilots, the UAL pilots and the Company (See TPA Section 5-B. Acceptance of the Integrated Seniority List, in Appendix 1). There simply is no fair and equitable basis for this Board to award what the CAL Committee proposes. Under the guise of protecting pilots from displacement from “then-current positions”, it would extend such protection to pilots who don’t actually have such positions at all. In short, if granted, it would interfere with the fair operation of the ISL forever by placing CAL pilots immovably in positions that their ISL seniority would not entitle them to hold. For all of those reasons, this Board did not adopt the CAL Committees' proposed C&R Numbers 1(b) and 1(c). |
Bumps are based off of TABs not activated pilots. So if a TAB has been assigned under the SFO MOU they can bump the crap out of SFO.
I don't know how many of the 400 are left untrained to bump. But you're getting setup for an expensive lesson. I find it funny how S-UAL pilots always explain it away when they are possibly about to be hosed. Wouldn't you rather see the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and ISL enforced? |
Originally Posted by Birddog
(Post 1489600)
Jsled,
You are like the energizer bunny. Ok, more blunt. There will be no 737 or 757 Captain bids for a long long time. Birddod |
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