Whub whub whub whub SMACK!

Just flew with one of those "stooges" today. 2005 hire...37 years old...left seat. He's not complaining. In fact, I've flown with a lot of them. :D

I have known a few 27 year old B737 cap at United in the mid '90s. I was 29 when I upgraded. Does not mean squat in this business. One cycle your are on top and the next you are going backwards...The only time you can claim a successful career is on your retirement date. Soon you will fly with twice furlough pilots who can explaine the ups and down of this industry better than I can. Stay humble my friend.

Kills me when I see them strutting around... I was a 28 year old 747 f/O then a 31 year old 727 Captain.

So, who cares?

Sorry for the lengthy reply. Just trying to cover every base. Also, sorry if you felt like I was "crapping" on you. I don't look at this as a CAL vs UAL issue. Granting these displacement rights affects ALL pilots. It appears a pilot in the high 7000's in seniority numbers received a 767 Captain award on the 14-02D bid, a lateral. That position is now unavailable to ALL pilots for some time who want adjust to a post-ISL landscape with a Vacancy bid.

I don't want to take ALL the advancements for the last 3 years. I want the TPA, UPA, SFO MOU, and SLI A&O followed as they were written and intended. Remember, the SLI is from a October 2010 outlook. The 14-02 & 14-02A Bids wouldn't have existed then, the 14-02D bids shouldn't be created now.

What the S-CAL Merger Committee is describing above is a Relative Seniority ISL award using an October 2010 snapshot. I'm not going to argue that's it's fair, but it is reasonable. It's also what every S-CAL 737 FO was preaching to me when I was jumpseating to work back in 2010 and 2011.

Yes, we can rest because per the agreements the EKN panel still has jurisdiction over the issue of granting displacements.

Dogg

When I say "lateral" above, the Bid this pilot possessed on Bid 14-02A was 767 CAP IAH. They never received a TAB. Now they are showing 767 CAP EWR. I assume the new 767 CAP bid to EWR is an award from Bid 14-02D. You have to sift the combined domicile rosters on CCS to find these awards since they aren't published in one spot. Like the former S-CAL pilots now sporting 76T bids.

Dogg

I understand where you are coming from Birddog and I agree with most of what you said above. The only difference I see is that the 14-02D bid awards are not "blockers" if the company displaces large amounts of pilots, which looking at the 14-02V bids it looks like they might. I would have a lot less angst about it if the company agreed not to displace anyone. I don't see that happening, but I can hope.

I also don't think you were one of the ones "crapping" on me. We were having a reasonable discussion when others have to make it a us vs. them slugfest. That's the nature of the anonymous forum though and it goes with the territory. I can take it, but I will dish it out as well.

Anyway, thanks for the reasonable replies. See you on the line.

So where do you find the 14-02D awards? I'm not one of them, but I'd just like to see where people went.

Thanks Skyflyin, After reading that post a couple of my friends called me "long/winded" too:-)

Free Flyer, It's not worth the effort to find where the 14-02D awardees went. You find them on the domicile rosters under Future. Then you have see if their bid was on 14-02 or 14-02A. Then you have to cross reference all the TAB's from April forward to see if they were awarded a training date. If they have an award on the roster and didn't have a TAB, they're 14-02D. Too much work. I just did it to find if one person was awarded anything. They were so 14-02D bids have bid awarded to some. No idea how many.

Dogg

Thanks for saving me the hassle of looking