Originally Posted by Skyflyin (Post 1489771)

You may like to repeat that ST, but what the CAL MC proposed was exactly what was awarded in the Delta/NWA merger and not very far from the UAL proposal. I was surprised that the arbs did not define what "awarded training" meant, just for the reason that the two sides seem to be arguing now.

Besides, I wasn't talking about the 14-02 guys, but the guys that would be bumped that are already in the position.

Originally Posted by SpecialTracking (Post 1489779)

What the arbitrators wrote was definitive. Who cares what was awarded at DAL/NWA? I guess if it has worked for LCAL in the past , they will continue to feed at the trough until it is empty.

Originally Posted by jsled (Post 1489714)

They already did it......



Date: September 6, 2013 Expires: September 16, 2013 To: Pilots | From: Crew Resources/WHQCM

Displacement Awards Per 737 MOU

Eligible Pilots Only
The following only affects pilots who are entitled to a displacement pursuant to the 737 MOU dated July 10, 2013. This will only impact pilots who are not in training, have not received a training assignment bid (TAB) award, or have not been pay protected for an assignment.
If you have received a CCS message, you are eligible for displacement rights under the MOU above.
A pilot with displacement rights is permitted to remain in his/her staffed position, or select another category to which their seniority can hold, which may include your prior award. For this interim process, no pilot will be affected by another pilot exercising their displacement rights. However, if future analysis determines an excess of pilot staffing exists, there is the potential for category/BES displacements under section 8 of the contract.
Pilots who do not wish to change their staffed position do not need to respond to this bulletin.
To facilitate this decision, a Junior Pilot Table (sample below) will indicate the junior- most pilot assuming the future movements as of the most recent TAB. Pilots holding displacements will be counted in their present operating positions.

A pilot deciding to exercise displacement rights and select a new category must email that election to [email protected] by 0800 CDT September 16th. A printable form with required information for pilot election is provided on the following page. Should a pilot submit more than one form, only the last submission will be considered. An immediate return email response will be generated to confirm receipt of the request.

Upon Processing, participating pilots will receive CCS notice of the revised award. The revised award will be referenced as 14_02D for future reference.

Originally Posted by Skyflyin (Post 1489797)

What they wrote was not definitive as I just explained and that is why the two sides are arguing now (if it's true they are arguing). One of the many mistakes the arbitrators made IMO.

Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 1489730)

Damn Jsled,

You're a resourceful little monkey. It didn't take you long to find that gem.

I know I tried to wind you up earlier, but they are trying this. The game isn't over---they haven't "done" it yet.

You said you can wait a year? That wait from A-320 FO to 737 CA is $60,000. Still don't mind waiting?

Originally Posted by Probe (Post 1489772)

CALFO;
They are already flying inefficient trips. There won't be enough 80 hour months to go around. There simply won't be enough block hours.

Yes, some of the Captains will retire straight out of the 75 fleet. But most of the pilots will not. Bumping gives you a paid move, free PS commuter passes, and no training freeze. Few will bid off until they gut bumped. I wouldn't.

400 retirements a year is only 3% of our pilot group. This is nowhere near "massive". Just "normal". 3% a year for 33 years equals? All of us. This is simply a normal rate of retirement.