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02-17-2014 | 06:15 PM
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02-17-2014 | 07:17 PM
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Very true but this was a major oops for the negotiating committee as these are 24 widebodies worth of new positions while the 747s were already fully staffed. In order to protect maybe 10-15 positions on the 747 that might have gone to exCAL guys they gave up the ability to bid on hundreds of widebody slots. Don't get me wrong, I have no heartache about the fences.
02-17-2014 | 07:48 PM
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Very true but this was a major oops for the negotiating committee as these are 24 widebodies worth of new positions while the 747s were already fully staffed. In order to protect maybe 10-15 positions on the 747 that might have gone to exCAL guys they gave up the ability to bid on hundreds of widebody slots. Don't get me wrong, I have no heartache about the fences.
Also, the UAL merger committee didn't ask to be fenced off the scabliner. They asked for domicile fences for those two airplanes, and the CAL MC asked for the scabliner to be fenced regardless of pilot domicile because they were interested in protecting their scabs, which worked.
So the CAL guys get to keep their scabs to themselves and the UAL guys don't have to fly with them right away.
I'd say that's actually a better deal for the UAL pilots.
02-17-2014 | 08:49 PM
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10-15 positions? Not even close. Just one of the bids had 40 747 bids by itself.
Also, the UAL merger committee didn't ask to be fenced off the scabliner. They asked for domicile fences for those two airplanes, and the CAL MC asked for the scabliner to be fenced regardless of pilot domicile because they were interested in protecting their scabs, which worked.
So the CAL guys get to keep their scabs to themselves and the UAL guys don't have to fly with them right away.
I'd say that's actually a better deal for the UAL pilots.
Also, the UAL merger committee didn't ask to be fenced off the scabliner. They asked for domicile fences for those two airplanes, and the CAL MC asked for the scabliner to be fenced regardless of pilot domicile because they were interested in protecting their scabs, which worked.
So the CAL guys get to keep their scabs to themselves and the UAL guys don't have to fly with them right away.
I'd say that's actually a better deal for the UAL pilots.
The original plan from CAL called for no fences, it was the desire of the UAL group to have the fences and they got what they wanted. It's a true case of be careful what you wish for. Knowing two of the negotiating committee members quite well, I assure you no one put one minute of consideration to protecting a scab from anything.
I'm guessing the minute those fences drop there will be a flood of UA folks bidding the aircraft regardless of who they are flying with.
02-17-2014 | 08:54 PM
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If you are looking at the bidding screen percentages on the right hand side, those do not take seat locks into account. They simply tell you what your seniority number currently could hold in each base.
By they way, the best way to pick up all this stuff is to ask, you're not a bother. If someone gives you attitude, they are probably part of the 10%ers that both sides have and aren't worth worrying about.
02-18-2014 | 01:37 AM
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10-15 positions? Not even close. Just one of the bids had 40 747 bids by itself.
02-18-2014 | 04:19 AM
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Wasn't that for reopening of ORD. How many going forward will there be. To see the fence as a win proves your blindness to common sense. I'm a L-UA pilot and view the loss of growth airplanes as a complete screw up by our negotiating committee. They did a very good job for the most part, they just listened to the wrong crowd when it applied to fencing the 747.
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