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Old 08-07-2014 | 05:49 AM
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I find it funny when some of my peers, age 30-40 are so anti-scab considering that they were in Kindergarten when the strike happened.

I also find it funny that a lot of them are anti-scab when they were the ones that paid for their training at a lot of the regional airlines in the 1990s. That was like being a modern day scab to me. It hurt the industry and profession just as bad.

I don't care about either item above. I have friends that are very anti-scab and some that paid for their jobs at regionals. I don't hold it against them, you do what you feel you have to do and the world continues. I on the other hand am not anti-scab and I suffered a but through American Eagle so I didn't have to pay for a job. Yes, I will go have dinner with scabs and I don't mind flying with them. It's over.....

For those of you that are paired with a scab and don't want to talk with them for a whole flight or whole trip, go for it. If you want to spend your career upset feel free to, you have that right. But I will be enjoying my trips, enjoying conversation and some free meals and drinks once in a while on the overnight.



In conclusion, don't even talk about it. Talk is cheap. If we ever have a strike, let's see who crosses the line. Then talk about it. Most of you will be amazed at who crosses.

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Old 08-07-2014 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by untied
We don't need to embrace the scabs to be unified.

Nobody wants to be unified with the scum of the earth.

Scabs are left out of the equation. They only care about themselves and aren't much good anyway.

The non scabs need to come together. We're the VAST majority.

You are most likely one of them…so I guess I won't convince you.
Untied, I'm one of the few here that has actually gone on strike, so nice try.

My point was an effort to counter some of Pkcola. You don't need to preach to me the definition of a scab.

My point though, is simply this: ALPA wants us to put behind us the fact that several thousand scabs were on the CAL list when CAL was reintegrated into ALPA in '01 (I believe the number now is around 500, give or take). Pkcola tries to argue that the ALPA tie pin is the ultimate sign of unity. I disagree. The truest sign of unity would be to truly bring the scabs back into the fold, not just taking their money, which is all that ALPA really wants.

I personally can't go that far. Maybe some can, but I cannot. And now that the scab group is so small as a percentage of the combined list, it doesn't matter.

If you're nice, I will let you touch my battle star.
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Old 08-07-2014 | 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Shroth
I find it funny when some of my peers, age 30-40 are so anti-scab considering that they were in Kindergarten when the strike happened.

I also find it funny that a lot of them are anti-scab when they were the ones that paid for their training at a lot of the regional airlines in the 1990s. That was like being a modern day scab to me. It hurt the industry and profession just as bad.

I don't care about either item above. I have friends that are very anti-scab and some that paid for their jobs at regionals. I don't hold it against them, you do what you feel you have to do and the world continues. I on the other hand am not anti-scab and I suffered a but through American Eagle so I didn't have to pay for a job. Yes, I will go have dinner with scabs and I don't mind flying with them. It's over.....

For those of you that are paired with a scab and don't want to talk with them for a whole flight or whole trip, go for it. If you want to spend your career upset feel free to, you have that right. But I will be enjoying my trips, enjoying conversation and some free meals and drinks once in a while on the overnight.



In conclusion, don't even talk about it. Talk is cheap. If we ever have a strike, let's see who crosses the line. Then talk about it. Most of you will be amazed at who crosses.

I am Sean Roth, IAH 756 FO and I approved this message.
You are confused about what is a scab. The term scab means only one thing: crossing a picket line to steal your job. Unfortunately, the scab moniker has been tossed about on these pages for actions unrelated to what actually makes a scab, a scab. Paying for training at a regional airline, is not scab behavior, it is an action of desperation by an individual who is climbing the ladder to an aviation career. The appropriate action would be to "call out the management of these regionals" and put them on notice that charging pilots for their training will not be tolerated and initiate a boycott of labor at these airlines. I would also make it my life's project to insure that no management pilot at these so-called "pay for training" airlines will ever be allowed to wear an ALPA pin and will suffer scorn for aiding and abetting management.

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Old 08-07-2014 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by untied
We don't need to embrace the scabs to be unified.

Nobody wants to be unified with the scum of the earth.

Scabs are left out of the equation. They only care about themselves and aren't much good anyway.

The non scabs need to come together. We're the VAST majority.

You are most likely one of them…so I guess I won't convince you.

This guy is not a SCAB. He struck over at Comair and for whatever reason they didn't attain HIS desired results. Instead of accepting responsibility for the outcome, he chooses to blame the UAL pilots, UAL MEC and Rick Dubinski in particular for their failure. He questions the reasons for allowing the CAL pilots back into ALPA even though he is a merged L-CAL pilot.

The more he writes, the more his intent becomes clear.

Originally Posted by OnCenterline
The union(ALPA), however, has lost its way, and it simply can not adequately represent all of its members. SWAPA, APA, and IPA all recognize that. I believe in time--and I hope--that a similar sentiment will affect the legacy carriers.
He doesn't like ALPA because it doesn't represent HIM over the good of the collective.

He seems to think the above listed non-ALPA pilot unions operate in a vacuum when in fact they que off each other. He needs to look at how much the contracts are alike than different.(ALPA paved the path)

He thinks he can rally the CAL bases to move away from ALPA and in some ways bashes CAL pilots for asking ALPA back on the property.

He has offered no constructive suggestions for the pilots of United to move forward as a collective. Probably not worth give an audience for HIM to rant.

He does not represent the many fine Comair pilots out there that walked - He's SPECIAL and never really learned what the term UNiTY means for the collective because it's all about HIM........
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Old 08-07-2014 | 10:39 AM
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I am Sean Roth, IAH 756 FO and I approved this message.
Sean,

Didn't you get removed from these boards not to long ago for being a bad little boy?
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Old 08-07-2014 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Sean,

Didn't you get removed from these boards not to long ago for being a bad little boy?
I guess....people don't like to hear the truth.
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Old 08-07-2014 | 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Shroth
I guess....people don't like to hear the truth.
They don't mind the truth, being a mouthy little jerk is what got you banned. Does the staff know you're back? I'll be happy to let them know for you if they aren't aware yet.
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Old 08-08-2014 | 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Pkcola
This guy is not a SCAB. He struck over at Comair and for whatever reason they didn't attain HIS desired results. Instead of accepting responsibility for the outcome, he chooses to blame the UAL pilots, UAL MEC and Rick Dubinski in particular for their failure. He questions the reasons for allowing the CAL pilots back into ALPA even though he is a merged L-CAL pilot.

The more he writes, the more his intent becomes clear.



He doesn't like ALPA because it doesn't represent HIM over the good of the collective.

He seems to think the above listed non-ALPA pilot unions operate in a vacuum when in fact they que off each other. He needs to look at how much the contracts are alike than different.(ALPA paved the path)

He thinks he can rally the CAL bases to move away from ALPA and in some ways bashes CAL pilots for asking ALPA back on the property.

He has offered no constructive suggestions for the pilots of United to move forward as a collective. Probably not worth give an audience for HIM to rant.

He does not represent the many fine Comair pilots out there that walked - He's SPECIAL and never really learned what the term UNiTY means for the collective because it's all about HIM........
I don't even know where to start with this, because so much is wrong. So, just tell me what you fly, and what base you are in, so I can avoid ever bidding the same.
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Old 08-08-2014 | 02:43 AM
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Airhoss;
Can you mention to them that Staller is back as well. Again.......
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Old 08-08-2014 | 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
Airhoss;
Can you mention to them that Staller is back as well. Again.......
Yeah.....

Shroth is the old Calstall...

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