Best ALPA Pin Explanation Ever
08-05-2014, 08:35 AM
#71
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Originally Posted by baseball
Management doesn't give a flip about me or my family. In that regard, I treat it like any other job. I have no emotional attachment. When a OBGYN doctor sees a patient, all he or she sees is a vagina. It's just one more of the thousands of vagina's he or she will see.
08-05-2014, 08:47 AM
#74
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the guys on here have Jeppesen shrines in their garage. Get a life already...the lavish steak dinners and winging ceremonies are over. The only reason I show up to this place is for a paycheck, and as long as those keeping coming the rest is fluff.
08-05-2014, 10:29 AM
#76
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Originally Posted by Pkcola
Beginning to think the UAL/CAL Merger forum is turning into breeding grounds for scabs and scab wannabe's. Emboldened by the recent FlyingTogether sign in screen picture. Is that about right "shoeless"?
Never forgive and never forget.
Never forgive and never forget.
If the pin is all you need to see, then you've already been played for a fool.
08-05-2014, 04:32 PM
#77
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I am familiar with a lot of unions. My father worked in the shipyards as a welder and a pipe fitter for 30 years., He worked in steel mills and aluminum smelter plants. He was also in Korea and Vietnam. I know a few things about solidarity and service.
My father never wore a union pin on the job and never wore one to a union meeting. The guys on his shift knew him and knew squarely where he stood on the issues. He kept his mouth shut unless it was to provide something that was either needed or requested. He spoke softly and carried a lead pipe. I've seen more lock outs and strikes than I can count.
The point is this: A union pin is just an ornament. It is patently useless unless you have the respect of your peers that goes with it. But, this is just a job, and nothing to get all spun up over. I don't talk about the job at home and with my family. They just want to know that the pay check will be on time. If the union needs me to do something I will be there to support my fellow pilots.
The pin is sort of cheapened in it's meaning over the years. ALPA gives pins to scabs and non scabs. We have dues paying members in good standing wearing pins (that is fine), we have agency shop people wearing pins, and we even have religious objectors wearing pins. ALPA has "forgiven" some scabs and not others. I don't get it. That to me is the real problem. ALPA has put out some mixed messages on this, so I tend to look for other reasons or character traits that define what a person is rather than a cheap 17 cent pin. Another view is this: If everyone at the airline cannot wear a pin due to ALPA policy, or UAL MEC policy, then we need to find another vehicle.
I've seen how UAL scabs are treated. I do get it! And I certainly don't want to ever have to go through any similar treatment. I've been in a weather room and watched the gong show. There is some serious bad blood there and I do get it. But, I am not sure how you guys can work together "safely". I've never been on one of your jump seats to see a mixed crew (UAL scab and ALPA member), but I'd bet it is something to see.
On the bright side, one day in the near future all of the scabs will be retired, and perhaps then, we can look at something else besides a tie to see if someone is "unified." I do have a one tie tac rule for me. I think wearing too many pins looks like you are a cheap pimp from New Orleans.
My father's view on unionism is one I share as well. Be there, but be quiet about it. Don't be too flashy and walk the line when it is your turn. Save up for a rainy day: (strike fund) is a personal responsibility. Don't get cozy with management and don't pretend that your boss is your friend. He will cut your nuts in a New York second to save his own job.
My father never wore a union pin on the job and never wore one to a union meeting. The guys on his shift knew him and knew squarely where he stood on the issues. He kept his mouth shut unless it was to provide something that was either needed or requested. He spoke softly and carried a lead pipe. I've seen more lock outs and strikes than I can count.
The point is this: A union pin is just an ornament. It is patently useless unless you have the respect of your peers that goes with it. But, this is just a job, and nothing to get all spun up over. I don't talk about the job at home and with my family. They just want to know that the pay check will be on time. If the union needs me to do something I will be there to support my fellow pilots.
The pin is sort of cheapened in it's meaning over the years. ALPA gives pins to scabs and non scabs. We have dues paying members in good standing wearing pins (that is fine), we have agency shop people wearing pins, and we even have religious objectors wearing pins. ALPA has "forgiven" some scabs and not others. I don't get it. That to me is the real problem. ALPA has put out some mixed messages on this, so I tend to look for other reasons or character traits that define what a person is rather than a cheap 17 cent pin. Another view is this: If everyone at the airline cannot wear a pin due to ALPA policy, or UAL MEC policy, then we need to find another vehicle.
I've seen how UAL scabs are treated. I do get it! And I certainly don't want to ever have to go through any similar treatment. I've been in a weather room and watched the gong show. There is some serious bad blood there and I do get it. But, I am not sure how you guys can work together "safely". I've never been on one of your jump seats to see a mixed crew (UAL scab and ALPA member), but I'd bet it is something to see.
On the bright side, one day in the near future all of the scabs will be retired, and perhaps then, we can look at something else besides a tie to see if someone is "unified." I do have a one tie tac rule for me. I think wearing too many pins looks like you are a cheap pimp from New Orleans.
My father's view on unionism is one I share as well. Be there, but be quiet about it. Don't be too flashy and walk the line when it is your turn. Save up for a rainy day: (strike fund) is a personal responsibility. Don't get cozy with management and don't pretend that your boss is your friend. He will cut your nuts in a New York second to save his own job.
08-05-2014, 05:48 PM
#78
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Originally Posted by baseball
I am familiar with a lot of unions. My father worked in the shipyards as a welder and a pipe fitter for 30 years., He worked in steel mills and aluminum smelter plants. He was also in Korea and Vietnam. I know a few things about solidarity and service.
My father never wore a union pin on the job and never wore one to a union meeting. The guys on his shift knew him and knew squarely where he stood on the issues. He kept his mouth shut unless it was to provide something that was either needed or requested. He spoke softly and carried a lead pipe. I've seen more lock outs and strikes than I can count.
The point is this: A union pin is just an ornament. It is patently useless unless you have the respect of your peers that goes with it. But, this is just a job, and nothing to get all spun up over. I don't talk about the job at home and with my family. They just want to know that the pay check will be on time. If the union needs me to do something I will be there to support my fellow pilots.
The pin is sort of cheapened in it's meaning over the years. ALPA gives pins to scabs and non scabs. We have dues paying members in good standing wearing pins (that is fine), we have agency shop people wearing pins, and we even have religious objectors wearing pins. ALPA has "forgiven" some scabs and not others. I don't get it. That to me is the real problem. ALPA has put out some mixed messages on this, so I tend to look for other reasons or character traits that define what a person is rather than a cheap 17 cent pin. Another view is this: If everyone at the airline cannot wear a pin due to ALPA policy, or UAL MEC policy, then we need to find another vehicle.
I've seen how UAL scabs are treated. I do get it! And I certainly don't want to ever have to go through any similar treatment. I've been in a weather room and watched the gong show. There is some serious bad blood there and I do get it. But, I am not sure how you guys can work together "safely". I've never been on one of your jump seats to see a mixed crew (UAL scab and ALPA member), but I'd bet it is something to see.
On the bright side, one day in the near future all of the scabs will be retired, and perhaps then, we can look at something else besides a tie to see if someone is "unified." I do have a one tie tac rule for me. I think wearing too many pins looks like you are a cheap pimp from New Orleans.
My father's view on unionism is one I share as well. Be there, but be quiet about it. Don't be too flashy and walk the line when it is your turn. Save up for a rainy day: (strike fund) is a personal responsibility. Don't get cozy with management and don't pretend that your boss is your friend. He will cut your nuts in a New York second to save his own job.
My father never wore a union pin on the job and never wore one to a union meeting. The guys on his shift knew him and knew squarely where he stood on the issues. He kept his mouth shut unless it was to provide something that was either needed or requested. He spoke softly and carried a lead pipe. I've seen more lock outs and strikes than I can count.
The point is this: A union pin is just an ornament. It is patently useless unless you have the respect of your peers that goes with it. But, this is just a job, and nothing to get all spun up over. I don't talk about the job at home and with my family. They just want to know that the pay check will be on time. If the union needs me to do something I will be there to support my fellow pilots.
The pin is sort of cheapened in it's meaning over the years. ALPA gives pins to scabs and non scabs. We have dues paying members in good standing wearing pins (that is fine), we have agency shop people wearing pins, and we even have religious objectors wearing pins. ALPA has "forgiven" some scabs and not others. I don't get it. That to me is the real problem. ALPA has put out some mixed messages on this, so I tend to look for other reasons or character traits that define what a person is rather than a cheap 17 cent pin. Another view is this: If everyone at the airline cannot wear a pin due to ALPA policy, or UAL MEC policy, then we need to find another vehicle.
I've seen how UAL scabs are treated. I do get it! And I certainly don't want to ever have to go through any similar treatment. I've been in a weather room and watched the gong show. There is some serious bad blood there and I do get it. But, I am not sure how you guys can work together "safely". I've never been on one of your jump seats to see a mixed crew (UAL scab and ALPA member), but I'd bet it is something to see.
On the bright side, one day in the near future all of the scabs will be retired, and perhaps then, we can look at something else besides a tie to see if someone is "unified." I do have a one tie tac rule for me. I think wearing too many pins looks like you are a cheap pimp from New Orleans.
My father's view on unionism is one I share as well. Be there, but be quiet about it. Don't be too flashy and walk the line when it is your turn. Save up for a rainy day: (strike fund) is a personal responsibility. Don't get cozy with management and don't pretend that your boss is your friend. He will cut your nuts in a New York second to save his own job.
08-05-2014, 07:14 PM
#79
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Originally Posted by krudawg
Ah hum; I wear my pin proudly because it sends a message to management that our group of pilots stand shoulder to shoulder. If you think for one minute that remaining silent and not being flashy with Union pins sends a message to management you are treading water in Lorenzo Kool-aid.
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