I seriously meant Allegiant and other charter outfits who pulled that pt91 BS. I know nothing of Spirit's contract. My mistake.

Interesting. If I had a 3 day trip turn into a 4 day trip with the same amount of flying, and a longer layover, I would generally like it. But my company pays for days away from base, so instead of flying 4 of these 3 day trips, I'd be flying 3 of the 4 day trips, for the same pay. So I'm wondering, since people are unhappy about being gone extra time....are you not paid for this, are you paid on block hours? That would **** me off too. Otherwise, I'd always take the extra layover time, planning to get paid an extra day for it, and fewer trips is fewer times to commute into base.

I'm sure if this comes to cargo, they will find a way to make us miserable, too.

Well, it might have paid 26 hours for a 3 day trip. Now for a 4 day trip, it pays........26 hours.

Trust me most people also don't want that long of a layover 9 time zones away. You are messed up all 4 days, and you have less recovery time back home. You end up tired 30/7.

What is scary about this thread is confusion of the FAR and the UPA and the fact that the FAR is for all part 121 airlines not just UAL. As stated before this rule change has added the work rules we have had at United to all passenger airlines in the duty limits. Which is a good thing.

What is even more baffling to me is all the talk of being more tired but still flying your schedule. Should there not be a correlation in fatigue calls that is proportional to the four days? Also please explain if those trips are so tiring, why would you even ever waive? I am going to plead ignorance on this one so spell it out for me please. How does getting Add pay make you less tired?

I did a survey using a very small sample size (me and the FO) and 100% did not waive. CCO showed that would be 11 minutes past a 12-hour FDP limit if we continued and we did not extend.

I don't like the new FAR 117 either. If the goal was to improve safety, it has definitely missed the mark. Sad....

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