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10-17-2014 | 06:40 PM
#41
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From: A320 Cap
Not meant to be divisive ... and not revisionist ... tell me, before May 2010, what was life like at UAL??? Where you taking delivery of new airplanes, opening new routes, adding pilot jobs?? CAL was. CAL contract protected 100% of block hours in the event of a merger, how about UAL? In the interim between OMD and UPA becoming effective, CAL block hours held steady ... and UAL feel slightly ... jobs followed WHAT EACH SIDE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. And I don't need to know much more about you to know that when the time comes again, you'll have no problem taking what's not yours ... well, to be fair, the arbs gave you what wasn't yours.
10-17-2014 | 06:41 PM
#42
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When was the last time a guppy Captain at CAL made over $200/hour? Which contract was that in exactly?
10-17-2014 | 06:54 PM
#43
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From: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
When was the last time a guppy Captain at CAL made over $200/hour? Which contract was that in exactly?
Not since Lorenzo in any case and not until now...
BTW
Don't confuse folks like SEDPA with facts or truth it's just a wet blanket on his fantasy pity party.
10-17-2014 | 06:59 PM
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You could not be MORE correct. It's better than any contract CAL EVER had. Not only that but it is years ahead of the pitiful CAL openers from December 2009. And I mean pitiful, howl at the moon you've got to be kidding me laughable.
But, CAL wasn't negotiating the contract. UAL and CAL pilots were. And believe me when I say a lot of CAL pilots were pretty excited about that. And while the contract we got indeed was by all measures far superior to any CAL contract, it did not meet industry standard of today, what Delta has and what American will have.
It is light years ahead of what CAL could EVER had achieved, you're right, golfer, but regarding your post, limiting the voters to a binary "yes to stop upgrades, no to keep stealing seats" is too limiting, and that's why...
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10-17-2014 | 07:07 PM
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Show me where I disagree with you.
You could not be MORE correct. It's better than any contract CAL EVER had. Not only that but it is years ahead of the pitiful CAL openers from December 2009. And I mean pitiful, howl at the moon you've got to be kidding me laughable.
But, CAL wasn't negotiating the contract. UAL and CAL pilots were. And believe me when I say a lot of CAL pilots were pretty excited about that. And while the contract we got indeed was by all measures far superior to any CAL contract, it did not meet industry standard of today, what Delta has and what American will have.
It is light years ahead of what CAL could EVER had achieved, you're right, golfer, but regarding your post, limiting the voters to a binary "yes to stop upgrades, no keep stealing seats" is too limiting, and that's why...
You could not be MORE correct. It's better than any contract CAL EVER had. Not only that but it is years ahead of the pitiful CAL openers from December 2009. And I mean pitiful, howl at the moon you've got to be kidding me laughable.
But, CAL wasn't negotiating the contract. UAL and CAL pilots were. And believe me when I say a lot of CAL pilots were pretty excited about that. And while the contract we got indeed was by all measures far superior to any CAL contract, it did not meet industry standard of today, what Delta has and what American will have.
It is light years ahead of what CAL could EVER had achieved, you're right, golfer, but regarding your post, limiting the voters to a binary "yes to stop upgrades, no keep stealing seats" is too limiting, and that's why...
10-17-2014 | 07:11 PM
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From: B777 FO/IRO
Originally Posted by APC225
It's better than any contract CAL EVER had. Not only that but it is years ahead of the pitiful CAL openers from December 2009. And I mean pitiful, howl at the moon sucks.
I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.
And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.
Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.
10-17-2014 | 07:51 PM
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Not entirely true. I made more on reserve 777 with our old CAL contract at a lesser pay scale than I do now with my current pay scale (even with the increase of $23/hour) because of our work rules.
I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.
And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.
Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.
I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.
And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.
Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.
10-18-2014 | 07:30 AM
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From: Guppy Capt.
Not entirely true. I made more on reserve 777 with our old CAL contract at a lesser pay scale than I do now with my current pay scale (even with the increase of $23/hour) because of our work rules.
I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.
And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.
Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.
I usually would fly only 75 hours but get paid 105 hours because of a loophole in our old contract. The most I ever made was flying 79 hours and I got paid for 142 hours. I have the records to prove it. That doesn't happen anymore with our new contract.
And I had more guaranteed days off than now also. We had a guaranteed 12 days off with no rolling of days versus the 6 measly HDO's off that I get now and possibility of getting every RDO rolled.
Anyways, I can still manipulate my schedule and our contract wording to my advantage, I just have to be more crafty, but overall I honestly took a $20K-30K pay cut versus our old contract.
Also, you could get days rolled under old CAL contract...
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