The reason that we have this contract was that Jeffy and JP were playing the two sides against each other. UCH was RAPING the UAL side and lathering any and all gains on the CAL side. The JCBA was the ONLY thing that was going to stop it. Jeffy was doing it for monetary purposes and JP was doing it for perceived ISL gains. Win one for Jeffy. JP rightfully got it inserted and broken off way up where the sun don't shine.

See above comment on playing two sides against each other.

Complete and total fabrication. UAL had work rules, CAL did not. The spoils went to the side that was cheaper to grow AKA the L-CAL pilot group.

If by windfall you are alluding to the ISL then you must be completely and totally out of your ever loving mind. The L-CAL ISL proposal was quite possibly the most juvinle and ridiculous pile of greed induced wishful thinking to ever make it to an arbitration board. It was almost immediately laughed right off the table. Not even a good try, it was simply pie in the sky, without merit, logic or any chance of success.

 

Sepda,

Guys like you make my life easier. Putt'er there buddy.

 

Jesus H.

 

ST:

You have never met me, don't know a damn thing about me, and certainly have never seen me ... enough with the personal attacks.

And before you jump to another false conclusion, I get the playing two sides/divide and conquer sh** ... and I wear mY ALPA pin.

 

I don't need to know you to realize a divisive post via revisionist history. You might wear your pin, but your post says otherwise. As section 6 openers approach, what's more important?

 

Not meant to be divisive ... and not revisionist ... tell me, before May 2010, what was life like at UAL??? Where you taking delivery of new airplanes, opening new routes, adding pilot jobs?? CAL was. CAL contract protected 100% of block hours in the event of a merger, how about UAL? In the interim between OMD and UPA becoming effective, CAL block hours held steady ... and UAL feel slightly ... jobs followed WHAT EACH SIDE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. And I don't need to know much more about you to know that when the time comes again, you'll have no problem taking what's not yours ... well, to be fair, the arbs gave you what wasn't yours.

 

I truly feel sorry for you.

 

The next contract will be interesting. Many of the "no" voters were not voting on the merits of the contract, but trying to delay to squeeze out some more Captain bids. Many of the "yes" voters were not voting on the merits of the contract, but voting to stop the windfall.

We will see if this next contract actually passes on its merits and not because of politics.

 

Many "no" voters were voting no because it was a substandard contract with pathetic retro.

 

Yes. We had 25 787s on order with 25 options, plus 25 A-350s with 25 options. That's 100 widebody aircraft or more than double CALs entire WB fleet including their 767s as "widebody"

As far as adding pilot jobs we were in the same position as CAL, both with pilots on furlough. All hiring and movement that happened 2010-2013 was a post-merger phenomenon. It would likely not have happened without the merger. You really think CAL was going to open bases in DEN, ORD, LAX, and SFO? Really? United bases. United passengers. United flying.

Most importantly we had the cash to backstop the orders for jets, which ended up being used for all the CAL deliveries.

CAL had NO GROWTH aircraft on order. Only replacements. Read the SLI award. No one bought the "double counting" of airplanes (i.e. what was on property plus orders and not counting retirements)

Smisek said CAL would "cease to exist" without the merger, and they were living "hand to mouth" (United had just had 9 straight profitable quarters) so no one buys the revisionist history that CAL was this exploding airline with tons of opportunity, etc.