Worst training I've had in 20 years at United.

Sure, we should set and check the altimeters. I think that once might be enough, though. We should also probably confirm what is on the route page and set on the MCP.

Scott

 

Scott;
You are spot on, and reading the SID, verifying modes, MCP, and altitude was not only L-UAL's way, but it is industry standard. Boeing has it in their procedures I believe, and Airbus published procedures call it a "Mini-brief".

I can't believe it went away in the first place.

The other thing I can't believe is these "safety events" haven't been disseminated to the pilot group. Have we gone backwards in aviation and safety culture and now try to hide our mistakes?

What are we becoming? Maybe we should be in the press.........

 

I know that checking it multiple times has saved me in the past. Did you go to training with the same anti everything LCAL that you display on this forum? I can see why you had problems.

 

It wasn't too long ago guys were complaining about wearing hats; now you complain about checklists. I wear that stupid hat, I do the checklist. It doesn't matter how stupid I think it is, I do it. Years ago when UAL tried to harmonize the check list across fleets, the checklists were really stupid. If you don't like the checklist, become a PI and spend the day arguing about why you think they should change the checklist. In the meantime, just do the check list and talk about more important things like the Profit Sharing Grievance we won and when the lUAL guys are gonna get a financial settlement.

 

While the idea that I must have had problems in training to have a valid opinion about its quality blends seamlessly into your narrative, it isn't true. I did just fine. I think it is also disingenuous to insinuate that I must have a wholly anti Cal perspective to criticize anything when in fact, I found most of my experiences with the pilot instructors, my LCA and the flight attendants I've flown with so far to be exceptionally good. That doesn't mean that we aren't dropping the ball WRT to the 737 course.

We have (as a collective pilot group) had some pretty close calls. A 767-400 landing with under 20 minutes of fuel in Guam. A 737 scraping a wingtip in EWR. Airplanes landing with emergency fuel after accepting direct routings into the jet stream and overflying acceptable fuel stops when the fuel situation became critical. Close CFIT incidences. We better start looking at least a little bit inward WRT to the way we're doing business as a pilot group.

Scott

 

Sleeves,

We aren't bashing Cal. There were some items removed from the before takeoff checklist that we knew had saved us a lot of heartache in the past. It got to the point that standards capts during pc's were telling us even if it's not on the checklist we need to continue checking the mcp and fmc before takeoff. I'm done with the us vs them. I only want is right and the safest.

 

You're kidding right?

 

Uhmmmm.....

You might want to re-check that.

400' is where you select a roll mode on a missed approach. Takeoff is different.

 

Amen...they are paying you $200,000 to fly the plane, just fly it the way they want you to, take your paycheck and go home. Is it that hard to respond to altimeters? Sometimes I just have to shake my head at airline pilot problems.

 

Why try to improve anything? Just cashing a check, right? Well played. We could have easily had 3-4 hull losses in the last 2 years. Tough to cash a check then. Especially tough to worry about things like profit sharing.