Vacancy Bidding Block Question
05-16-2015 | 05:45 AM
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Read your ****ing contract
05-16-2015 | 07:16 AM
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Reference 8-D-1-d
An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
05-16-2015 | 07:33 AM
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No seat lock incurred for a lateral to another base.
05-16-2015 | 09:05 AM
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But if you bid from Airbus FO to Guppy FO then 6 months later you want to bid 777 FO you won't be able to (unless the company releases you from your freeze)
I actually know someone that this happened to. They went from Airbus to Guppy for seniority, then wanted 777 but couldn't get an award because of the freeze.
05-16-2015 | 09:09 AM
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Incorrect.
Reference 8-D-1-d
An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
Reference 8-D-1-d
An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
Now read this.....
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze
8-D-2-a When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for twenty-four (24) months.
So as long as you keep climbing the ladder, no freeze, but as soon as you stop or bid backwards, you have a different freeze.
Like I said, I know someone that didn't get a 777 FO award and this is the reason they were told.
05-16-2015 | 06:43 PM
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OK. You keep believing it. But we have 3 different types of freezes now. That is only ONE of them. That's why its called "Equipment Training Freeze".
Now read this.....
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze
8-D-2-a When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for twenty-four (24) months.
So as long as you keep climbing the ladder, no freeze, but as soon as you stop or bid backwards, you have a different freeze.
Like I said, I know someone that didn't get a 777 FO award and this is the reason they were told.
Now read this.....
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze
8-D-2-a When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for twenty-four (24) months.
So as long as you keep climbing the ladder, no freeze, but as soon as you stop or bid backwards, you have a different freeze.
Like I said, I know someone that didn't get a 777 FO award and this is the reason they were told.
Your story contradicts what the contract says. Such an award airbus fo to 777 is a higher numbered band award. The way I read it is he should have been awarded 777 FO. Did he talk to anyone in the Union?
05-16-2015 | 08:37 PM
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According 8D2A, if you lateral to an equal band (A320 FO to 737 FO) or bid down, you can't bid ANYTHING for 24 months the way I read it
05-17-2015 | 12:57 AM
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Where that is nice is if someone's been on the 777/747/787 for a long time and wants to bid 320 or 737 Captain, but would like to get a bit of time in the jet before going to the left seat. This would allow them to get familiar with the plane before bidding the left seat.
05-17-2015 | 06:28 AM
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wow. easy to grasp but hard to explain evidently.
with an equipment freeze...yes, you can always be awarded a "higher- numbered equipment/pay band".
with a bidding freeze you cannot be awarded anything except a captain vacancy in current equipment, a "new" base (opened less than 6 months), or of course a lateral (same equipment/seat)
You incur a bidding freeze by bidding a vacancy that does not move you from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band.
So yes, if you are a 737FO and you bid A320FO, you will incur a bidding freeze which will not allow you to be awarded a 777FO bid until you have served that freeze. You could be awarded a 320CA bid, however.
Clear as mud? Bid accordingly. Good day.
with an equipment freeze...yes, you can always be awarded a "higher- numbered equipment/pay band".
with a bidding freeze you cannot be awarded anything except a captain vacancy in current equipment, a "new" base (opened less than 6 months), or of course a lateral (same equipment/seat)
You incur a bidding freeze by bidding a vacancy that does not move you from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band.
So yes, if you are a 737FO and you bid A320FO, you will incur a bidding freeze which will not allow you to be awarded a 777FO bid until you have served that freeze. You could be awarded a 320CA bid, however.
Clear as mud? Bid accordingly. Good day.
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