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UALinIAH 10-07-2015 11:27 AM
Originally Posted by El10 (Post 1987202)
Im confused, the letter clearly states NSNB flown by mainline. How in the word is that mis intuerpted into giving scope away?
1-C-1-g Number of 76-Seat Aircraft
If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102. 76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76- Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer). In addition, in the event more than 153 76-Seat Aircraft are in United Express Flying, the Company shall remove from United Express Flying a number of 50-Seat Aircraft determined as follows:

El10 10-07-2015 11:56 AM
Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 1987215)
1-C-1-g Number of 76-Seat Aircraft
If the Company adds New Small Narrowbody aircraft to the Company Fleet, then on or after January 1, 2016, the number of permitted 76-Seat Aircraft may increase from 153 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 223 76-Seat Aircraft, and the number of permitted 76/70-Seat Aircraft may increase from 255 (as permitted under Section 1-C-1-a-(2)-(c)) up to a total of 325 76/70-Seat Aircraft, except that once the number of 76/70-Seat Aircraft exceeds 255, then the number of 70-Seat Aircraft may not be more than 102. 76-Seat Aircraft (above 153 such Aircraft) may be added on a one 76- Seat Aircraft for each one and one quarter New Small Narrowbody Aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer). In addition, in the event more than 153 76-Seat Aircraft are in United Express Flying, the Company shall remove from United Express Flying a number of 50-Seat Aircraft determined as follows:
And your point is?

Flytolive 10-07-2015 12:03 PM
Originally Posted by El10 (Post 1987241)
And your point is?
The point is that the company needs narrow body lift desperately and they don't want to buy the only 100-seaters, E190s or CS100/300s, that would contractually allow more UAX E175s. Getting mainline 100-seaters protects us from further outsourcing down the road so obliging the company would be detrimental United pilot job security and options especially at the bottom of the list.

Sniper66 10-07-2015 12:23 PM
Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1987244)
The point is that the company needs narrow body lift desperately and they don't want to buy the only 100-seaters, E190s or CS100/300s, that would contractually allow more UAX E175s. Getting mainline 100-seaters protects us from further outsourcing down the road so obliging the company would be detrimental United pilot job security and options especially at the bottom of the list.


Did the MEC passed the agenda today to entertain the extension ...or not ....anyone knows

Grumble 10-07-2015 01:31 PM
Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1987244)
The point is that the company needs narrow body lift desperately and they don't want to buy the only 100-seaters, E190s or CS100/300s, that would contractually allow more UAX E175s. Getting mainline 100-seaters protects us from further outsourcing down the road so obliging the company would be detrimental United pilot job security and options especially at the bottom of the list.
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gettinbumped 10-07-2015 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Thor (Post 1987264)
Yes it's obvious that the company probably doesn't want to be constrained by the contract they signed and will most likely try to weasel out of the NSNB clause anyway they can.

My contention is that any relief is WAY more valuable than a mid-course pay adjustment. It's not called scope-CHOKE for nuthin'.

One solution is for the company to buy more narrow body airplanes which clearly would help the capacity problem and offer job security to those pilots near the bottom of the list. There's no reason for pilots to give away scope, or even relax it, for the company to take the "buy more lift" path. There truly isn't anything preventing them from bringing more mainline aircraft into the system.
I'm quite curious to see what the offer is, but I agree that any section 1 give would be an absolute non-starter. I'm very confident that our MEC feels the same way. They can ask all they want (as they did with the used A319 buy), but the answer is and will always be NOOOO

gettinbumped 10-07-2015 01:36 PM
Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 1987323)
Hahahhah!! I was thinking the same thing! But I figured I must have missed something that everyone else got

gettinbumped 10-07-2015 01:39 PM
Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 1987244)
The point is that the company needs narrow body lift desperately and they don't want to buy the only 100-seaters, E190s or CS100/300s, that would contractually allow more UAX E175s. Getting mainline 100-seaters protects us from further outsourcing down the road so obliging the company would be detrimental United pilot job security and options especially at the bottom of the list.
Ok after reading this 5 times I think I know where you're going. No chance in HE// that our MEC is going to allow used A319's or 737's to increase the number of E175's at express. It's one of the basic fundamental tenants of our Section 1. The company's offer includes a firm order for some sort of C100/300, E190/195. Or maybe the Superjet or MRJ. It's NOT the A319 or 737 used market.

Saabs 10-07-2015 04:41 PM
What are you guys group I rates currently ? Hope they are a lot better than ours at AA!

DashTrash 10-07-2015 05:28 PM
I will vote NO if there is ANY gives in Scope!!! I don't care what kind of pay raise they're willing to give us.


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