Trip Drops
#11
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You already have your answer. You can't, because they won't. And they won't, because they don't want to. It doesn't appear to be more complicated than that. You are a widget, not an asset, so do as you're told (scheduled).
There may be a dozen guys on reserve on the day you want to drop a trip. Yet, "No coverage" is almost always their response. What ends up happening is increased sick calls, and then of course the ramping up of AMS harassment. Which of course will be followed up by Marvin's flying with snot running out of their nostrils, which will be followed by non Marvin's calling in sick a few days later.
Trip trade is a joke as well. Just add PBS and any control over your schedule is just about non existent, unless you're very senior in base and seat.
And we slurp it up like fat carp.
Welcome to UAL. How'd you like another two years of this contract?
You already have your answer. You can't, because they won't. And they won't, because they don't want to. It doesn't appear to be more complicated than that. You are a widget, not an asset, so do as you're told (scheduled).
There may be a dozen guys on reserve on the day you want to drop a trip. Yet, "No coverage" is almost always their response. What ends up happening is increased sick calls, and then of course the ramping up of AMS harassment. Which of course will be followed up by Marvin's flying with snot running out of their nostrils, which will be followed by non Marvin's calling in sick a few days later.
Trip trade is a joke as well. Just add PBS and any control over your schedule is just about non existent, unless you're very senior in base and seat.
And we slurp it up like fat carp.
Welcome to UAL. How'd you like another two years of this contract?
#12
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Correct, MIL leaves MUST be approved. This is not an attack on you krudawg, but if the MIL leaves are taking up all the trip drop opportunities, then it's the least we could do as a gratitude for their service. Those men and women have sacrificed more than civilian guys like me ever have and I'd gladly give them the break when they need it.
Last edited by krudawg; 10-20-2015 at 08:02 PM. Reason: Grammar
#13
No I don't think so. There aren't that many active military pilots that are dropping trips on a day to day basis. That would measured on a monthly scale. I base this on watching open time and seeing how few trips suddenly appeared to be aggressively picked up.
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#15
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You may be right. I don't think the company has ever really wanted the pilots have a free and open trip trading capability. If we had such a trading capability, it would most likely pay dividends to the company in a reduction of sick leave use.
Last edited by krudawg; 10-21-2015 at 05:20 AM. Reason: spell check
#16
20-P-4-b If immediately prior to the first run of the trip-trading system the pay value of all Open Trips in a Category is less than one percent (1%) of the pay value of all Trips available for awarding in Monthly Schedule Preferencing for that Category, the Company shall allow enough Trip drops in that first run so that the pay value of those dropped Trips equal that difference (between one percent (1%) and the current Open Trips). The intent of this provision is to seed trip trading.
UPA says 1% of value of all trips seeded but even this has been applied to our disadvantage. You might notice that often that 1% isn't there. I went forward with this issue shortly after UPA was implemented when I asked scheduling for a drop regardless of reserve coverage because there was no 1% seeding. They refused. Union said that one-for-one trip trades count as a drop and that scheduling also lowers reserve mins and that counts towards the 1% because it could allow an equivalent trade/drop.
Last edited by APC225; 10-21-2015 at 06:40 AM.
#17
Not sure. I've tried a half a dozen times to straight drop a trip on days I didn't want with the full intention of picking one up on days I did. No Coverage was always the response.
#18
Correct, MIL leaves MUST be approved. This is not an attack on you krudawg, but if the MIL leaves are taking up all the trip drop opportunities, then it's the least we could do as a gratitude for their service. Those men and women have sacrificed more than civilian guys like me ever have and I'd gladly give them the break when they need it.
Mil leave approval? I don't submit mil leave approval requests. I submit military leave notifications.
I don't know where you're getting that military leave must be approved by the company.
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I was responding to a previous post. You put it a lot better though. Mil leaves are notifications not requests.
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