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Old 05-28-2011, 11:30 AM   #1  
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Default Trip Revisions anyone ?

So, I did a makeup on this trip up to XXX ............... d/h on the backend, plans to go see the Indy 500 race on Sunday ................... we get to XXX and notification to call CRS, guess what ....................... you are operating XXX from XXX to XXX to XXX, revised trip. My FO had noticed the night before while checking his J/S on that same flight back to the planet ................... that he and I were both listed as operating the trip !!! We discussed it momentarily before departing the planet during wee hours of the morning, but my suspicions were running really high, I told him that I bet there was a plan to make us operate the trip the entire sequence, back to the planet ........................ sure enough, that is what happened. I understand that CRS can revise ANY trip in the system, but do they understand that they were gambling the dice on either of us possibly not being able to finish this trip due to fatigue or whatever else might have cropped up ? Why did J/S control know about this and the CRS not tell us ??? Has anyone else out there had a similar event ? Thanks to our CBA, they have the power to revise ..........................and we approved it.
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If you knew before you left, you should've called them on it right then.
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Old 05-28-2011, 11:47 AM   #3  
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I have a question regarding bank during a revision. I originally had a Back DH after operating in and the trip was revised with an extension to another outstation with a back DH the next day. Do I get the higher of the banks or both banks? Also do I qualify for extra pay do to canceling a back DH? What other pays would I be eligible for? Extra duty period, extra landing? I know I get draft for the overage.

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Let's see,
8.C.2.a. Says a DH changed or cancelled by the company means the bank monies remain intact.
Don't remember if I've ever been in this exact situation, but, you should get to keep both banks. It's unusual, so might have to add it back into the expense report in FOX, not that tough to do.

Extra pay.
So, since if I understand your pairing correct, you had MEM-ABC-DH MEM, revised to MEM-ABC-DEF-DH MEM.

Sounds like one extra landing, and one extra duty period. Although a DH was canx'd, you still had a DH back to base.

I would request, .5CH for the landing, 3.5 for the extra duty period
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I had a trip that ended with an ocean crossing, required an RFO. But no RFO was listed. And I mean, NOT LISTED. Not "OPEN" or unassigned, but the trip looked like there was no spot for an RFO. Hmmm. Then we figured it out. They were going to revise it before we left MEM on a 12 day pairing. But of they did that, the captain would have the option to say no thanks, and go into SUB. If they waited till we blocked out, they had him with a trip revision. No reserves were available to cover the trip if he had said no before we left. (I was on reserve...)
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Let's see,
8.C.2.a. Says a DH changed or cancelled by the company means the bank monies remain intact.
Don't remember if I've ever been in this exact situation, but, you should get to keep both banks. It's unusual, so might have to add it back into the expense report in FOX, not that tough to do.

Extra pay.
So, since if I understand your pairing correct, you had MEM-ABC-DH MEM, revised to MEM-ABC-DEF-DH MEM.

Sounds like one extra landing, and one extra duty period. Although a DH was canx'd, you still had a DH back to base.

I would request, .5CH for the landing, 3.5 for the extra duty period
Wrong on the D/H bank. You get to keep the higher of the two banks, but not both. Many experiences with crew travel audit on this very issue.
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Hyperone, dont think I'm wrong.

I think you've been in a different situation.

e.g. MEM- ABC (8+01 layover) DH to MEM. Late out of Memphis so trip has to be revised to a legal rest, MEM-ABC (revised to a later DH to get at least 8 hour layover) DH to MEM

In that situation, you don't get punished with a lower bank since still DH'ing out of the same city.

Could also see the company argue that it's a change to a DH not a cancellation and the "bank monies remain intact" by you getting the higher of the bank.
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Hyperone, dont think I'm wrong.

I think you've been in a different situation.

e.g. MEM- ABC (8+01 layover) DH to MEM. Late out of Memphis so trip has to be revised to a legal rest, MEM-ABC (revised to a later DH to get at least 8 hour layover) DH to MEM

In that situation, you don't get punished with a lower bank since still DH'ing out of the same city.

Could also see the company argue that it's a change to a DH not a cancellation and the "bank monies remain intact" by you getting the higher of the bank.
Don't think he was contradicting this. You get the HIGHER of the banks. I've got personal experience on this. Back end deadhead from HKG gets revised to operate NRT then deadhead. You keep the higher bank of the two - in my case the HKG money. It's on the CBA as was quoted to me by Travel Expense audit folks but don't remember where.
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They (CRS) have all kind of tricks. Like the old assign a trip to a reserve with a back end dead head that gets back in the r day footprint, only to revise it before you even land to an operating leg 2 days into your days off.
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Thanks all for the replies on this. My case is such that the same duty DH was cxld then we operated to another city for a legal rest layover then a DH the next day to MEM.
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