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#101
Baseball got me tired out by just reading the post.
Why did the Captain add fuel?
Because he/she can.
Any more questions?
When they added that memo to the FP one of my F/Os complained to me about it. As I was adding fuel I said, "So what it won't change my thinking one bit. "
His reply, "It will some."
Why did the Captain add fuel?
Because he/she can.
Any more questions?
When they added that memo to the FP one of my F/Os complained to me about it. As I was adding fuel I said, "So what it won't change my thinking one bit. "
His reply, "It will some."
#102
Right. But, for me...I already have a loss of enthusiasm. This entire operation just sucks the life out of me. I feel like I have to do too many people's jobs. Load Plan, dispatch, scheduling, CCO times, irregular operations, maintenance bafoonery, aircraft servicing, etc. This entire operation hinges on pilots taking up everyone's slack the entire time the aircraft is on the ground. And we do this while fighting windmills and having to put up with petty "why did the CA add fuel" crapp, and then we've got to continually re-learn our jobs because we can't just stick with a standardized way of operating. It's the Yo-Yo effect every other month. It takes me forever to read up on all these pilot bulletins. Most of them are stupid and don't make us better or more efficient.
#103
Wow, crazy how people can have totally different perspectives on the same things. I've seen and dealt with a lot of the same stuff since coming onboard, but it pales in comparison to what I had to deal with in the USAF. Most of what you point out is the direct effect of dealing with other fallible human beings. I'd love perfection from those around me, but I'm told I make mistakes too. My stress level is a fraction of what it used to be, so I guess these sorts of things just bounce off me for now. I know things can go bad for me pretty quick in this industry. However, I hope things improve around here for you or your perspective changes for the better.
Aside from that - thank you for your service and Happy Veteren's Day
#104
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
Wow, crazy how people can have totally different perspectives on the same things. I've seen and dealt with a lot of the same stuff since coming onboard, but it pales in comparison to what I had to deal with in the USAF. Most of what you point out is the direct effect of dealing with other fallible human beings. I'd love perfection from those around me, but I'm told I make mistakes too. My stress level is a fraction of what it used to be, so I guess these sorts of things just bounce off me for now. I know things can go bad for me pretty quick in this industry. However, I hope things improve around here for you or your perspective changes for the better.
Another thing. we don't know if the philosophy gives birth to the procedure or if the procedure gives birth to the philosophy. We come up with pilot bulletins to manage the operation and we keep yo-yo-ing all over the place. There is nothing SOP about our SOP's.
The airline is too disjointed, too disconnected and is like a helicopter. It has too many moving parts and if the wind isn't blowing right the balls can't all stay in the air.
#105
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
But, last trip.....ugh. delayed about 9 hours. Then, fueler didn't know how to fuel the airplane. Couldn't understand why we need to schedule wing tanks full then put the rest in the center tank. Had to get on a conference call with TOMC, MX, and Load Planning to teach everyone how we fuel a B757. Normally, I just check my totalizer, but now I scrutinize things pretty close.
#106
[QUOTE=Shrek;2008904]I would like for you to save this post and look at it again in 10 years.
If in the next 10 years I go through what Part 121 guys have been through in the last fifteen, I'm sure my perspective would be dark and twisted to say the least.
Agreed, but there is not much I can do about it where I sit except nibble at the edges. Simplifying the operation is definitely one of the keys to improving things. I'd be happy to look at a contract extension with more $$, work rule improvements, etc. But I think odds of one actually passing are slim in today's environment (did you read the recent Forbes article?).
P.S. - If you ever are feeling down, spend some time reading the Allegiant threads. The most profitable airline in the world, but their pilots make squat, have horrible work rules, and probably another couple of years before they get a half-decent contract because their management has no interest in reaching a deal. I pray to Saint Gordon that the leadership here improves.... or at least doesn't come over from Allegiant.
If in the next 10 years I go through what Part 121 guys have been through in the last fifteen, I'm sure my perspective would be dark and twisted to say the least.
I understand. But, here's the deal. We're sort of stuck in a rut right now. We have a severe lack of leadership at the airline.....The airline is too disjointed, too disconnected and is like a helicopter. It has too many moving parts and if the wind isn't blowing right the balls can't all stay in the air.
P.S. - If you ever are feeling down, spend some time reading the Allegiant threads. The most profitable airline in the world, but their pilots make squat, have horrible work rules, and probably another couple of years before they get a half-decent contract because their management has no interest in reaching a deal. I pray to Saint Gordon that the leadership here improves.... or at least doesn't come over from Allegiant.
#107
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
I understand. But, here's the deal. We're sort of stuck in a rut right now. We have a severe lack of leadership at the airline. Since the merger began we haven't had any leadership. In this airline, Flight Ops doesn't wear the pants. Bean counters, legal, and HR run the airline. After that it's marketing.
Another thing. we don't know if the philosophy gives birth to the procedure or if the procedure gives birth to the philosophy. We come up with pilot bulletins to manage the operation and we keep yo-yo-ing all over the place. There is nothing SOP about our SOP's.
The airline is too disjointed, too disconnected and is like a helicopter. It has too many moving parts and if the wind isn't blowing right the balls can't all stay in the air.
Another thing. we don't know if the philosophy gives birth to the procedure or if the procedure gives birth to the philosophy. We come up with pilot bulletins to manage the operation and we keep yo-yo-ing all over the place. There is nothing SOP about our SOP's.
The airline is too disjointed, too disconnected and is like a helicopter. It has too many moving parts and if the wind isn't blowing right the balls can't all stay in the air.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the start of an improvement in our operational performance or just a one off, but we had some really great folks doing some really great work. And the response from our customers was overwhelming.
I know, I know. I'll be labeled a Marvin by some. But after watching us fail for so long it was nice to have a win for a change.
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#108
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Posts: 439
It may be just be a coincidence or not, but look at our performance from the date Jeff left till today. In every measurable statistic we have seen drastic operational improvements. Sure the weather has improved and the block hours are down from peak of summer. So either all the stuff they say they had going on to improve things are finally in place, or just a complete fluke. Well see when the first snow storm hits what happens.
#109
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 332
It has been a LONG and painful 5 years, that's for sure. But I caught a glimmer of hope last night. Arrived at the airplane to a small maintenance issue which turned into a much larger maintenance issue after discovering it was not deferrable. Up against a curfew restriction, there were a LOT of moving parts that needed to work seemlessly in order to have a chance to make it, and I honestly figured we had no chance. The mechanic was simply awesome. My FO proved himself to be a truly great hire. Awesome suggestions, stepped in to help whenever he could in whatever capacity was needed. The flight attendants despite a LONG day were really upbeat and exceptional. The CSR's were fantastic, as it involved deplaning the entire jet and reboarding in a ridiculously short time. Everyone from dispatch to LP to customer service to ramp and especially maintenance was hustling and doing what they needed to do to get the plane out in time: and it worked. Landed with 8 minutes to spare.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the start of an improvement in our operational performance or just a one off, but we had some really great folks doing some really great work. And the response from our customers was overwhelming.
I know, I know. I'll be labeled a Marvin by some. But after watching us fail for so long it was nice to have a win for a change.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the start of an improvement in our operational performance or just a one off, but we had some really great folks doing some really great work. And the response from our customers was overwhelming.
I know, I know. I'll be labeled a Marvin by some. But after watching us fail for so long it was nice to have a win for a change.
#110
It has been a LONG and painful 5 years, that's for sure. But I caught a glimmer of hope last night. Arrived at the airplane to a small maintenance issue which turned into a much larger maintenance issue after discovering it was not deferrable. Up against a curfew restriction, there were a LOT of moving parts that needed to work seemlessly in order to have a chance to make it, and I honestly figured we had no chance. The mechanic was simply awesome. My FO proved himself to be a truly great hire. Awesome suggestions, stepped in to help whenever he could in whatever capacity was needed. The flight attendants despite a LONG day were really upbeat and exceptional. The CSR's were fantastic, as it involved deplaning the entire jet and reboarding in a ridiculously short time. Everyone from dispatch to LP to customer service to ramp and especially maintenance was hustling and doing what they needed to do to get the plane out in time: and it worked. Landed with 8 minutes to spare.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the start of an improvement in our operational performance or just a one off, but we had some really great folks doing some really great work. And the response from our customers was overwhelming.
I know, I know. I'll be labeled a Marvin by some. But after watching us fail for so long it was nice to have a win for a change.
Honestly, I don't know if it's the start of an improvement in our operational performance or just a one off, but we had some really great folks doing some really great work. And the response from our customers was overwhelming.
I know, I know. I'll be labeled a Marvin by some. But after watching us fail for so long it was nice to have a win for a change.
Nice job, "C"aptain!
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