That cuts both ways Brother. Perhaps the more important question is what did the rest of the pilot group gain by carving out furloughee longevity via LOA25. You can't take that gain and then turn around and complain about what you are giving up now to right this wrong.

You're wasting your breath Moss. Flown with scores of guys who don't a clue about LOA25. It didn't affect them then, and they don't want it to now.

Sorry, but the LOA 25 abomination must be item #1 to be fixed on this or any deal. It was a disgrace that it ever happened and it needs to be fixed before anything else of any significant monetary value is done.

As we all know, LOA25 was an 11th hour deal. The money that was GOING to pay rates for the carved out LOA25 furloughees now had to find a new home in the contract.

Where did it go?

Remember that last bit of money added to the Retro Pay to get it to (IIRC) $400M?

We should be glad that this is in the deal. Otherwise, the Union rightly would be on the hook(remember, the contract dollar amount was already agreed to) and should foot the bill(=special assessment). Painful, NOBODY wants that.

It's easier to understand if you apply it to yourself:

Image that your union wrote a side letter into the last contract which is carefully worded so that it only applies to you and pegs your pay to some guy who was hired 7 years after you (who is also senior to you now).

How would you feel about that?

Would you want that corrected asap or would you be content to live with that indefinitely, perhaps forever?

Also imagine that a pilot who is clearly not affected by LOA 25, comes on the forum with the opinion that you should continue to be forced to live under this financially punitive side letter so that he may, hypothetically, at some point in the future, receive an even larger raise than the one that is currently being offered.

How would you feel about him?

And also imagine that you had a bad day out on the line, resulting in running off the side of the runway into the grass. While you made mistakes, the event nevertheless becomes a teaching event at TK with a scenario built around it. Everyone else gets to learn from your bad day that was shown on CNN despite the fact that nobody was injured.

Then imagine that a fellow pilot would come on this forum and use a picture of that event as his Avatar as a put down. All the while spreading his "I'm a victim" mentality at every turn.

How would you feel about him?

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I was told LOA 25 was because we thought it would look weird if an arbitrator placed a pilot with less longevity senior to one with more longevity and it may sway the Arbitrator's decision to use longevity to a greater extent since we were going to argue an hourly payrate based integration. That's also how we got these pay bands. Now that the SLI is done I agree, lets fix LOA 25. Paybands I don't really care.