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01-04-2016 | 08:27 AM

#141

AllenAllert

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Originally Posted by jsled

Yes. It will be corrected. Next month! The voting opens tomorrow. I am gonna log in with a big o' wheel barrel, vote yes and fill it full of cash. Squirrel away some serious nuts to prepare for what's coming, and make the furloughees whole. Two birds. One stone... A bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Voting YES. Tomorrow.

The "bird in the hand" was a favorite of Pol Pot but he was also fond of saying "The sick are victims of their own imagination".

Voting NO - not selfish - It's just the right thing to do. For the guys not falling along the legacy lines this TA is selling your future for the sake of a short term gain of the greedy. If you can vote, vote NO to improve your future prospects.

01-04-2016 | 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

Short term, myopic thinking no further than your monthly checking account. Yeah I know, you're gonna fill 'er up. I'm thinking contracts ahead and we will regret selling ourselves short for this cheap extension.

So Donald J Nostradamus, do I need to start prepping?

If you haven't started prepping by now you are in deep trouble!

Regarding the TA Vote for you YES voters: I've been reading forum comments on both APC and the UAL Pilots Forum and based on the Cyber Bullies who flourish these forums I've come up with the TOP reasons why voting YES is wrong. Just curious which camp you fall under?

A) Are you a Management Mole
B) Money Grubber
C) Scab or Scablike
D) Stupid
E) All the above

01-04-2016 | 08:44 AM

#143

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Originally Posted by ugleeual

Dude,

I'm just voting against because I think in the loooong term, we can do better.

01-04-2016 | 08:58 AM

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ron kent

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

Dude,

I'm just voting against because I think in the loooong term, we can do better.

Voting yes because I also think it is the best interest looong term.

01-04-2016 | 09:06 AM

#145

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You can put me down in the camp of thinking many have been beaten down so much over the past 13 yrs that they are always looking for the boogie man around the corner and will take any table scraps offered.

01-04-2016 | 11:14 AM

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ugleeual

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Originally Posted by ron kent

Voting yes because I also think it is the best interest looong term.

Ditto… long term this is best...

01-04-2016 | 11:24 AM

#147

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Ditto… long term this is best...

Long term, as in Delta will always be at least one contract ahead of us. For those who have 20+ years left, that's a lot more than a guppy capt's $120k plus his compounding.

01-04-2016 | 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SpecialTracking

Long term, as in Delta will always be at least one contract ahead of us. For those who have 20+ years left, that's a lot more than a guppy capt's $120k plus his compounding.

I don't understand this. We will be ahead of them in pay rates, pretty equal in profit sharing, better in 401k (while only 1%), better vacation accrual and we have a lot more international widebody top $$ paying flying.

Their sick time is definitely superior but I fail to see how we won't be industry leading with this, would you elaborate for me your thoughts? Thanks

01-04-2016 | 01:11 PM

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Yes, we'll be industry leading in pay. Delta's contract cycle going forward will be 2.5 yrs or better ahead of us. They are negotiating during the most profitable time in airline history so it goes without saying that their total contractual improvement will be well above our 15-0-2 pay bump. It's that Delta difference that I'm considering playing out for many contracts in the future.