Originally Posted by Glenntilton

Is that the companies or pilots?

Will UAL get those in the "me too?"

Originally Posted by oldmako

It's depressing how many pilots are oblivious to past contracts and the QOL they afforded and are willing to extend this (thin) one. A contract that many reluctantly voted for simply due to the games being played at Willis. The way I see it, "we'll get 'em next time" is now, or could be if we flush this and enter Section 6.

Gas is cheap. Our loads are fantastic due to the latest round of mergers. We're awash in profits and have pricing power that hasn't existed since deregulation. We're already much cheaper than DAL and Willis knows it. As DAL pilots reload and shoot for the moon, we're in full Milquetoast mode. Stopping here is idiocy. We can get a raise and improve QOL if we want, but it seems that capitulation is easier. Our union hasn't prepared us to fight for anything and the pilots don't have the will. 13% Yippee!

Suckit.

Its clear that management has our, and certainly Jay Heppners number. They may not do a very good job of running the operation, but they sure do know how to hoodwink this pilot group.

Originally Posted by azdryheat

Sorry but the FRMS is concessionary. We certainly gave in to the company. Also we will lock ourselves into the same poor (concessionary) sick leave, vacation, and other issues that we are last in.

This might be the last opportunity for many years to fix issues that need to be addressed.

Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald

Excellent summary. We have a lot of new people that don't know the history, and need to be mentored about the past, we however, I fear, are making new mistakes. I think we could have our cake and eat it too, but walking out the door instead.

Originally Posted by suckit

Isn't everyone on Reserve there by choice unless your a new-hire. Isn't there a vacancy bid that allows anyone who doesn't want to be on Reserve a chance to be a line holder on something else or in a different seat? You guys on Reserve are chasing status or dollars sort of. I choose to work hard and make more on a narrow body. You "NO" voters would rather work for 13% less while on Reserve fighting for better Reserve work rules that would take affect by the time your well off Reserve and you'd rather not have a Delta "me too" clause while doing this (and you have an education?). And somehow better vacation and training pay 3 to 5 years from now will put more in your pocket than the current TA extension? Maybe we should vote this down in order to get an Organic Crew Meal choice! Nobody I know has ever been thrown an extra $30K a year just to extend their current working conditions 2 more years. Which by the way, I bet most of you NO voters were Yes voters for our current contract! I personally like my current contract and I personally would really enjoy the extra money! No brainer! I just flew a 5 minute extension for nothing. On this TA, I would've been paid 2.5 hrs for 5 minutes! Once again, No Brainer!