Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

As long as the FAA exists, most large carrier transport pilots are quite likely to remain unionized in some fashion.

Originally Posted by Flytolive

What do the two have to do with each other?

Originally Posted by Old UCAL CA

Risk of, and FAR enforcement, Aeromedical, etc.,(among other things).

Originally Posted by Kilder

Excellent summary of what??

This is an extension of the best contract of any major...have you looked at Deltas and Americans work rules???

This is an extension that gives us the pay plus the same profit sharing we have now...a year before the TA becomes amendable...and before we go to protracted section 6 negotiations...this TA puts us ahead of all our peers NOW...not 3 or 4 years from now...

Instead some of you here want to throw the dice on an idea that we can get above the 18% we are getting plus make up what we will lose in lost earnings from now until we sign your Unicorn contract....Unicorns don't exist...this TA exist...it is real...it is here..now...wake up!!!

Originally Posted by Yak02

Take this deal!!!

It buys us 2 years to get our act together. Yes, we don't have our act together.

CAL Captain John Prater become head of ALPA several years ago and he was going to "Take it back" and make pilots respectable again. Well he didn't. Ask him, ALPA is obsolete, broken, and can't be fixed.The ALPA tool box is worn out and holds nothing. The ALPA playbook is from doing business in the 1970's it isn't going to change. If you want an industry leading contract then you need to start thinking out side the box and start a new Union just for us UAL pilots. NOW IS THE TIME.

Let's see who the the real leaders of our pilot group with a new vision rise to the occasion. Let's take the ALPA pin off our ties and stick it on our ass so everytime we sit in a Pilot seat it hurts and reminds us of where the real problem is.

What do you say Dave F.?

Originally Posted by Regularguy

Merry Christmas to all!

As far as the TA goes, I keep hearing that many feel a NO vote will get the Company back to the table, force them to open regular negotiations early or even expedite such negotiations.

Been here a very long time and personally I believe if we vote NO they, the Company, will just sit on it and let's us live with what we currently have. No expedited or return to the table.

But as Sgt. Schultz said, "I know nothing!"

Sleep well.

Originally Posted by Regularguy

Merry Christmas to all!

As far as the TA goes, I keep hearing that many feel a NO vote will get the Company back to the table, force them to open regular negotiations early or even expedite such negotiations.

Been here a very long time and personally I believe if we vote NO they, the Company, will just sit on it and let's us live with what we currently have. No expedited or return to the table.

But as Sgt. Schultz said, "I know nothing!"

Sleep well.

Originally Posted by ugleeual

I agree… anyone that thinks that voting no is going to get us a FULL contract sooner is spending too much time at the weed shop in DEN. Labor Relations is going to go back to Munoz and say, "we gave it a try boss"… and then we will be signing a contract in 2019 with very similar terms. They aren't going to give us a counter offer TA or come to the table earlier. Hope I'm wrong but think this is how it will play out.

Originally Posted by Flytolive

Hmm. This is the third time management has tried to fix their FAR 117 FDP extension problem, second time in eight months for FRMs and they agreed to open the IAM Section 6 contract negotiation a year early. Who is "spending too much time at the weed shop in DEN"?

Originally Posted by ugleeual

IMO This FRMS language will help QoL for global WB reserve pilots.