Each voting member of the MEC had three votes to make today in this process:

1. Accept the agreement.
2. Send this TA to the pilots for Membership Ratification.
3. Endorse this agreement.

 

That is not a concession...try again.

 

From my perspective the long haul community enjoys a higher level of immunity to scheduling gamesmanship. It's hard to reassign a pilot who is laying over in BOM or LOS. Sure, you'll get your share of short-calls,but no fake trips and no field standby and your pairings won't turn into a letter K or R due to modifications. Crew rest issues internationally sort of take care of themselves due to FAR 117 and the augmentation factor. Long haul reserve pilots enjoy a higher QoL.

 

Exactly. Let's disagree like adults.

 

Except that of course global reserves only have six real days off a month that must be consecutive. I've been reserve on both sides of this equation, give me narrowbody reserve rules any day.

 

And they spend less time at work. But when they are at work, they are fatigued. When they get home, they are fatigued. Once again, a lifestyle choice. I have made that choice before, maybe i will make it again. Or maybe not.

3.5 to 1 affects them a lot. Vacation paying 3 hours a day affects everyone.

Work rules do affect them, just different.

 

Isn't everyone on Reserve there by choice unless your a new-hire. Isn't there a vacancy bid that allows anyone who doesn't want to be on Reserve a chance to be a line holder on something else or in a different seat? You guys on Reserve are chasing status or dollars sort of. I choose to work hard and make more on a narrow body. You "NO" voters would rather work for 13% less while on Reserve fighting for better Reserve work rules that would take affect by the time your well off Reserve and you'd rather not have a Delta "me too" clause while doing this (and you have an education?). And somehow better vacation and training pay 3 to 5 years from now will put more in your pocket than the current TA extension? Maybe we should vote this down in order to get an Organic Crew Meal choice! Nobody I know has ever been thrown an extra $30K a year just to extend their current working conditions 2 more years. Which by the way, I bet most of you NO voters were Yes voters for our current contract! I personally like my current contract and I personally would really enjoy the extra money! No brainer! I just flew a 5 minute extension for nothing. On this TA, I would've been paid 2.5 hrs for 5 minutes! Once again, No Brainer!

 

It's depressing how many pilots are oblivious to past contracts and the QOL they afforded and are willing to extend this (thin) one. A contract that many reluctantly voted for simply due to the games being played at Willis. The way I see it, "we'll get 'em next time" is now, or could be if we flush this and enter Section 6.

Gas is cheap. Our loads are fantastic due to the latest round of mergers. We're awash in profits and have pricing power that hasn't existed since deregulation. We're already much cheaper than DAL and Willis knows it. As DAL pilots reload and shoot for the moon, we're in full Milquetoast mode. Stopping here is idiocy. We can get a raise and improve QOL if we want, but it seems that capitulation is easier. Our union hasn't prepared us to fight for anything and the pilots don't have the will. 13% Yippee!

Suckit.

Its clear that management has our, and certainly Jay Heppners number. They may not do a very good job of running the operation, but they sure do know how to hoodwink this pilot group.

 

I am sorry to say that you might be right.

So many pilots are blinded by a couple shiny coins and can't see that they have leverage.

If this passes, the company will have all their goals met and see little need to talk to us for years to come. Our next CBA will be many years from now. I will most likely be gone before it is signed.

 

Sorry but the FRMS is concessionary. We certainly gave in to the company. Also we will lock ourselves into the same poor (concessionary) sick leave, vacation, and other issues that we are last in.

This might be the last opportunity for many years to fix issues that need to be addressed.