TA Passes
#21
And, Delta's opener,
Therefore, we propose to improve compensation levels as follows:
· Increase hourly rates by:
o 22% effective January 1, 2016
o 7% effective January 1, 2017
o 7% effective January 1, 2018
· Increase hourly rate for EMB-190/195 equal to B-717
· Increase international pay to $8.00 for Captains and $6.00 for First Officers and delete Alaska/Canada carve-out
· Re-establish night pay of $5.00 for flight time flown 1800-0559 pilot acclimated time
· Establish pilot responsibility pay, e.g., “door pay”
· Retain current book on 3 B. 4. [This “me-too” clause provides for a review and potential hourly pay increase when non-contract employees receive a pay increase]
· Delete expiration date of 3 B. 5. [This “me-too” clause currently requires Delta to provide the same bonus or lump sum payment, other than profit sharing, that it grants to non-contract employees]
Therefore, we propose to improve compensation levels as follows:
· Increase hourly rates by:
o 22% effective January 1, 2016
o 7% effective January 1, 2017
o 7% effective January 1, 2018
· Increase hourly rate for EMB-190/195 equal to B-717
· Increase international pay to $8.00 for Captains and $6.00 for First Officers and delete Alaska/Canada carve-out
· Re-establish night pay of $5.00 for flight time flown 1800-0559 pilot acclimated time
· Establish pilot responsibility pay, e.g., “door pay”
· Retain current book on 3 B. 4. [This “me-too” clause provides for a review and potential hourly pay increase when non-contract employees receive a pay increase]
· Delete expiration date of 3 B. 5. [This “me-too” clause currently requires Delta to provide the same bonus or lump sum payment, other than profit sharing, that it grants to non-contract employees]
#22
In the video attached to the email, Heppner said that they almost walked away from negotiations twice. He then said that they were too far apart on what either party wanted with respect to Reserve Rule improvements. Instead of walking away, he "struck it from the negotiation." So, the list of 5 items shrank by at least one.
It just seems a little devisive. Would he have "walked away" if they didn't get what they wanted for the long haul operations?
I will admit, the pay rates look appealing. I even made an effort to try to look at them last, but failed. I am still voting no. I feel there was a bait and switch..especially regarding the reserve rules:
From the 21 Oct Letter:
undoubtedly affect pay and/or working conditions. This does not affect Reserve working conditions.
Expect more...pay less
It just seems a little devisive. Would he have "walked away" if they didn't get what they wanted for the long haul operations?
I will admit, the pay rates look appealing. I even made an effort to try to look at them last, but failed. I am still voting no. I feel there was a bait and switch..especially regarding the reserve rules:
From the 21 Oct Letter:
i. Compensation
ii. Retroactive longevity for furloughess for pay and vacation
iii. MOU 22 replacement
iv. Reserve assignment process improvements
v. FRMS
and a few paragraphs down:
This one thing must be clear: The MEC, Negotiating Committee, and I are completely aware that any agreement has to meet your exacting standards. If such an agreement is reached and accepted by the MEC, it will undoubtedly significantly affect pay and/or working conditions which will require Membership Ratification.
ii. Retroactive longevity for furloughess for pay and vacation
iii. MOU 22 replacement
iv. Reserve assignment process improvements
v. FRMS
and a few paragraphs down:
This one thing must be clear: The MEC, Negotiating Committee, and I are completely aware that any agreement has to meet your exacting standards. If such an agreement is reached and accepted by the MEC, it will undoubtedly significantly affect pay and/or working conditions which will require Membership Ratification.
Expect more...pay less
#23
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In the video attached to the email, Heppner said that they almost walked away from negotiations twice. He then said that they were too far apart on what either party wanted with respect to Reserve Rule improvements. Instead of walking away, he "struck it from the negotiation." So, the list of 5 items shrank by at least one.
It just seems a little devisive. Would he have "walked away" if they didn't get what they wanted for the long haul operations?...
It just seems a little devisive. Would he have "walked away" if they didn't get what they wanted for the long haul operations?...
#25
#26
Pure assumption and speculation on my part. I assumed super senior guys will fly the ULH routes and benefit mostly from FRMS relief (duty day extensions, etc). Am I incorrect in assuming that these flights will go to very senior line holders? I thought the highly productive long haul trips would be senior. If not, then it's a moot point. I'm not trying to stir the pot.
My main point is that the MEC chair said they almost walked away. Why did he choose to not walk away when agreement was not reached on one of the 5 points. It almost seems that the reserve rule improvement was a pre-known sacrificial lamb.
Please read the 21 October letter again. When I read it again and watched his video released today, I saw mixed messages. I emailed my rep these concerns and he shares the same sentiment.
Again, purely my speculation. That and 50 cents will get you a bag of chips.
My main point is that the MEC chair said they almost walked away. Why did he choose to not walk away when agreement was not reached on one of the 5 points. It almost seems that the reserve rule improvement was a pre-known sacrificial lamb.
Please read the 21 October letter again. When I read it again and watched his video released today, I saw mixed messages. I emailed my rep these concerns and he shares the same sentiment.
Again, purely my speculation. That and 50 cents will get you a bag of chips.
#28
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And, Delta's opener,
Therefore, we propose to improve compensation levels as follows:
· Increase hourly rates by:
o 22% effective January 1, 2016
o 7% effective January 1, 2017
o 7% effective January 1, 2018
· Increase hourly rate for EMB-190/195 equal to B-717
· Increase international pay to $8.00 for Captains and $6.00 for First Officers and delete Alaska/Canada carve-out
· Re-establish night pay of $5.00 for flight time flown 1800-0559 pilot acclimated time
· Establish pilot responsibility pay, e.g., “door pay”
· Retain current book on 3 B. 4. [This “me-too” clause provides for a review and potential hourly pay increase when non-contract employees receive a pay increase]
· Delete expiration date of 3 B. 5. [This “me-too” clause currently requires Delta to provide the same bonus or lump sum payment, other than profit sharing, that it grants to non-contract employees]
Therefore, we propose to improve compensation levels as follows:
· Increase hourly rates by:
o 22% effective January 1, 2016
o 7% effective January 1, 2017
o 7% effective January 1, 2018
· Increase hourly rate for EMB-190/195 equal to B-717
· Increase international pay to $8.00 for Captains and $6.00 for First Officers and delete Alaska/Canada carve-out
· Re-establish night pay of $5.00 for flight time flown 1800-0559 pilot acclimated time
· Establish pilot responsibility pay, e.g., “door pay”
· Retain current book on 3 B. 4. [This “me-too” clause provides for a review and potential hourly pay increase when non-contract employees receive a pay increase]
· Delete expiration date of 3 B. 5. [This “me-too” clause currently requires Delta to provide the same bonus or lump sum payment, other than profit sharing, that it grants to non-contract employees]
Will UAL get those in the "me too?"
#29
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From: Plane with Wings...
From what I understand this was more than one vote...
There was one to accept or reject which barely passed, there was one to endorse or not to endorse which barely passed, there was one to send it to the membership which I believe passed unanimously.
There was one to accept or reject which barely passed, there was one to endorse or not to endorse which barely passed, there was one to send it to the membership which I believe passed unanimously.
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