United Pilot/Lawmaker-Hillary Should Be Hung
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No No No!! It doesn't work that way...
You mentioned the ALPA code of ethics... how does calling for the public lynching of an elected official square with:
"On his days off, he will not engage in any occupation or activity that will diminish his efficiency or bring discredit to his profession."
"He will realize that he represents the airline to all who meet him and will at all times keep his personal appearance and conduct above reproach."
"He will remember that to his neighbors, friends, and acquaintances he represents both the profession and ALPA, and that his actions represent to them the conduct and character of all members of the profession and ALPA."
"He will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit his name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to another pilot, the airline industry, the profession, or ALPA."
You mentioned the ALPA code of ethics... how does calling for the public lynching of an elected official square with:
"On his days off, he will not engage in any occupation or activity that will diminish his efficiency or bring discredit to his profession."
"He will realize that he represents the airline to all who meet him and will at all times keep his personal appearance and conduct above reproach."
"He will remember that to his neighbors, friends, and acquaintances he represents both the profession and ALPA, and that his actions represent to them the conduct and character of all members of the profession and ALPA."
"He will not publish articles, give interviews, or permit his name to be used in any manner likely to bring discredit to another pilot, the airline industry, the profession, or ALPA."
None of those things you cite in the code proscribe political discourse, which is what this is, and exactly why the founders wrote that first amendment.
However, many people on this board should pay close attention to the last one in particular about bringing discredit to another pilot. Hillary doesn't qualify.
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You don't get it do you. His free speech is protected. Peoples response to it and the consequences that result are not. He signed multiple agreements when he agreed to be a United employee. It is all very clearly spelled out. Did he violate them? Not for me to say. I suspect, as the others have said that he will not miss a paycheck.
Would United fire him if he had instead tweeted, "Trump is a fraud, should be left on deserted island and starved." #Nevertrump?
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It doesn't matter. Company policy about social media addresses this issue. I've already posted a link of examples of people getting fired for social media misfires, many of them having NOTHING to do with their company. A quick Google search will show countless people who are fired due to social media indiscretions. He most certainly didn't need to be in uniform or mention United to warrant disciplanary action up to and including termination. What's worse is that he's doubling down in the media. Keep talking Buddy. You look like a total baffoon.
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None of those things you cite in the code proscribe political discourse, which is what this is, and exactly why the founders wrote that first amendment.
However, many people on this board should pay close attention to the last one in particular about bringing discredit to another pilot. Hillary doesn't qualify.
However, many people on this board should pay close attention to the last one in particular about bringing discredit to another pilot. Hillary doesn't qualify.
Paying close attention to the last one - if you don't think that sort of comment brings discredit on the profession or ALPA, I'd love to hear the sort of things you think would actually bring discredit to the profession.
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The term "low information voter" is just stamped all over this thread.
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The poor civics comprehension on display in this thread is really disheartening. I didn't think I could lose any more faith in the average voter after what I've seen in this election cycle, but here we are.
The term "low information voter" is just stamped all over this thread.
The term "low information voter" is just stamped all over this thread.
Nowhere does it say you can say anything you want anytime. There are laws against slander and (gasp!) sedition, something Faux News and their viewers have conveniently forgotten.
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Yes the pilot is fully to blame. You can't blame United for trying to do damage control after that moron landed himself on the front page of the news.
I'm having trouble understanding why this is mystifying in some way. Take the guy down in Houston who was running a brothel in his spare time. Should United have kept him on the payroll? Let him serve his time in prison and then come on back? What's the difference? That one act was illegal and the other was merely dunce cap worthy? Company policy and the ALPA Code of Ethics does not require activity to rise to the level of criminal behavior to be subject to discipline. If you want to work for United, or almost any company for that matter, you can, will, and should be held accountable for what you say and do in the world even when you aren't in uniform at the airport. If you don't like it, you should probably work towards being self employed.
I'm having trouble understanding why this is mystifying in some way. Take the guy down in Houston who was running a brothel in his spare time. Should United have kept him on the payroll? Let him serve his time in prison and then come on back? What's the difference? That one act was illegal and the other was merely dunce cap worthy? Company policy and the ALPA Code of Ethics does not require activity to rise to the level of criminal behavior to be subject to discipline. If you want to work for United, or almost any company for that matter, you can, will, and should be held accountable for what you say and do in the world even when you aren't in uniform at the airport. If you don't like it, you should probably work towards being self employed.
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Hmm, I was pretty sure a certain well-connected presidential candidate would be tried for having her own email server but gee, how could I have been so uninformed, that there was something wrong with that in this day and age. After all, there were 33,000 emails turned over to the FBI that had been carefully screened by her lawyers so as to eliminate any "personal" emails because that is what we were told by the candidate and that NOTHING "marked" CLASSIFIED was sent thru her server. Of course nothing is ever marked CLASSIFIED these days they are marked CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET OR TOP SECRET. But hey, the comment was made for the low-information voter and apparently was devoured by them
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