Delta pilots turn down 27% raise
08-23-2016, 09:11 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by baseball
I didn't know that. That' HUGE!!!!
The way I understand B fund as well as 401K is that we need to be very careful as to how much we put into it. Otherwise, anything over the IRS limits go into the VEBA. I would imagine that the DAL pilots, although very happy to have that problem to manage (extra money in B fund) must stay on top of this money and see to it that it is properly invested and/or accounted for at the end of the year.
This may be a topic for another thread, but on or about Sept. 30, I take a look at my IRS limits to see where I am at and then make any changes needed to my PCRA/401K so I don't end up putting money in the VEBA (or too much of it). Wouldn't it be neat if we could instead of putting into the VEBA, just put it into a tax deferred college fund for the children??
The way I understand B fund as well as 401K is that we need to be very careful as to how much we put into it. Otherwise, anything over the IRS limits go into the VEBA. I would imagine that the DAL pilots, although very happy to have that problem to manage (extra money in B fund) must stay on top of this money and see to it that it is properly invested and/or accounted for at the end of the year.
This may be a topic for another thread, but on or about Sept. 30, I take a look at my IRS limits to see where I am at and then make any changes needed to my PCRA/401K so I don't end up putting money in the VEBA (or too much of it). Wouldn't it be neat if we could instead of putting into the VEBA, just put it into a tax deferred college fund for the children??
08-23-2016, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Grumble
When you hit $18.5k, set contribution rate to zero, take that sum and set up pay allotment to 529 plan.
08-23-2016, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrain Inop
Unless you know for a fact that there is someone that you're willing to pay for college for, 529 plans are crap. They cannot be used as a tax shelter for retirement. There are penalties built into the plans if you try that.
08-23-2016, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Toedrag
I'm not trying to give advice here, so please forgive me. I had the same feeling on the RHA until someone explained to me that's it's the "trifecta". Money goes into it without being taxed, grows tax free, and gets withdrawn tax free. It might be the only "3-way" I'll ever see.
Also, according to a few articles I've read, for a couple retiring today at age 65 and living until 85, they will need over $200,000 in today's dollars for healthcare expenses. Depending on when you retire in the future, that amount will most likely be much higher and possibly double.
Food for thought.
Also, according to a few articles I've read, for a couple retiring today at age 65 and living until 85, they will need over $200,000 in today's dollars for healthcare expenses. Depending on when you retire in the future, that amount will most likely be much higher and possibly double.
Food for thought.
) are usually very healthy. So the amount you would need in VEBA would be considerably less.
08-23-2016, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer
That 200K average is based on the average adult. Pilots and their spouses (except from IAH ) are usually very healthy. So the amount you would need in VEBA would be considerably less.
) are usually very healthy. So the amount you would need in VEBA would be considerably less.
08-24-2016, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
Except the RHA is not controlled by us, it is controlled by a board made up of a few company and ALPA turds, and we don't have a say. Sounds like another A plan type fiasco to me.
I sent an email to my financial planner to inquire about the VEBA and our contributions to see how that fits into the plan.
I agree, I don't like plans whereby the money isn't totally controlled by the individual plan owner.
If anyone who knows the history of the Continental Pilots Retirement "freeze" and one guy, Jacques Lapointe controlled the investments, then you know the risks of having a single point of failure. I don't know really what our ALPA people can do, or not do except monitor and advise. I am also not sure as to what the qualificaitons are of our ALPA people to even handle this. Maybe need a capital investment firm???
The real issues for me are:
1. Delta pilots said no on the raise. They want more.
2. How do we and others insure the moneys not controlled by the individual plan owners are safe-guarded against either bafoonery, or thievery.
Kind of interesting how Larry Kellner kept Lapointe to work for him at his new Emerald Creek Group. This guy amazes me how he killed our A fund and he not only kept his job, but his boss Kellner keeps him around.
08-24-2016, 04:43 AM
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Friends over there are pretty firm that they will give no concessions on PS. And there is one in this deal about lessening the PS DC. They are slightly less zealous on scope. They keep telling me we have a whole lot more WB flying.
One of the big reasons i chose to come here was of the 4 majors, UAL has the least contentious pilot group internally. Those DAL guys have issues wrapped in issues and no consensus way ahead except don't touch my PS. I don't think the UAL ALPA is ever going to be the family reunion, but it is going forward. And the folks i disagree with most of the time have a lot of knowledge that i have tapped into. Those other places, not so much.
And we may never get a penny of Delta catch up, but we got it in the contract and that is huge. We make it better next time. And put an automatic 4% raise in January 1st of every amenable year too.
One of the big reasons i chose to come here was of the 4 majors, UAL has the least contentious pilot group internally. Those DAL guys have issues wrapped in issues and no consensus way ahead except don't touch my PS. I don't think the UAL ALPA is ever going to be the family reunion, but it is going forward. And the folks i disagree with most of the time have a lot of knowledge that i have tapped into. Those other places, not so much.
And we may never get a penny of Delta catch up, but we got it in the contract and that is huge. We make it better next time. And put an automatic 4% raise in January 1st of every amenable year too.
08-24-2016, 05:09 AM
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Other issue with the Veba is when you die it does not pass to your estate just back into the fund for all the other pilots. Also it takes 2 pay cycles for the 401k contribution to take effect when changed so waiting till you hit the max and then selecting zero will put at least $1500 or more into the Veba
08-24-2016, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Probe
Except the RHA is not controlled by us, it is controlled by a board made up of a few company and ALPA turds, and we don't have a say. Sounds like another A plan type fiasco to me.
The important thing to remember is the plan is optional and not for everyone. For some, pay the tax - take the money and place it a tin can - plant in a flower pot and watch it grow. For others, the plan has been discussed in creditable ALPA publications and the ALPA R&I committee will answer questions and point you in the direction of these publications without the unnecessary name calling you seem to favor.
08-24-2016, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by CHAIRMAN
Other issue with the Veba is when you die it does not pass to your estate just back into the fund for all the other pilots. Also it takes 2 pay cycles for the 401k contribution to take effect when changed so waiting till you hit the max and then selecting zero will put at least $1500 or more into the Veba
I was told that all moneys over the IRS limits annually will go into the VEBA. You mean you can direct the money to go elsewhere???
Does my estate have the standing to sue for those moneys? My surviving spouse can't use the VEBA money?
hello ALPA.....
Maybe we should kill the VEBA, and just give us the cash to invest on our own.........
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