buscappy

My thoughts - completely based on personal anecdotal evidence....

Humans like and need choices, rewards, challenges, and advancements. Careers in the military and corporate worlds offer these carrots. Dead end jobs where we do the same thing and just accrue time in place are unrewarding.

Since the early times in aviation (think piston engines and tail wheels), pilots were paid more to be captain than copilot,and paid more to fly the bigger plane on the longer runs. And as pilots progressed, through life, they looked forward to moving up in equipment and seat.

I've known many - many - a pilot who agonized over whether to move up one jet (727 to DC 10, DC 10 to 747, etc) to get the rating, to fly new routes, and... to bump the pay - while accepting a lower relative bidding seniority. And, even though it's all based on simple seniority, pilots still illogically congratulate their buds on getting a captain bid, or a wide body bid.

Pay to seniority would make us all LaVerne & Shirley, putting caps on the beer bottles as they whizzed by on the conveyor belt. ( sorry millennials; Before your parents time)

The guys who want pay to seniority, I would bet, are fairly senior and want to do Florida turns in guppy but get paid the top rate. And I don't blame them. I'm doing this myself now. And if the carrot doesn't get bigger to haul my but to Germany or Japan four times a month, I'll never go back to that. Just not worth it.

Humans love to be valued. Jeffy didn't get this; we somehow believe Oscar does. But we don't get the thrill by being valued for just being here 29 years. We get the thrill from being valued as a captain, or by being valued as a wide body pilot flying to other continents.

Take away that rational, economically logical, valuation system, and pilots are zombies - paid more just to age, in place.

Just my thoughts....

APC225

Which is a riff on the "I Love Lucy" conveyor belt skit.

https://youtu.be/_y0nsN4px10

01pewterz28

Here she is painted and out in the wild. Sorry no offence to the PMCO pilots but this bird really needed a new livery.

Flytolive

See Decision 83. Airline pilots have used it to leverage pay gains from increases in the productivity of the airplanes we fly. Pay to seniority undermines this rationale.

cadetdrivr

Rumor suggests Oscar is working on one. Stay tuned......

El10

That is not entirely true. Look at UPS they used the current fleet make up to decide which aircraft was the average of it's fleet, then based the pay rate off the productivity of that airplane. So productivity was part of that equation.

What I think this boils down to is more of "how dare someone else get paid as much as me". It is so prevalent in this industry that pilots feel the need to have "something" more than someone else. You hardly ever hear, "good for them". You never hear lawyers or doctors complain about what someone else in the profession makes. Sure some of it comes from the fact that we pattern bargain, and yes we should raise when we can. It just appears we are more concerned about making sure others get less, than making sure as whole we all get more.

Grumble

Shack

Filler

buscappy

spoken like true junior guys

my doctor friends are well aware of what docs in other disciplines make, and docs at other hospitals, and senior and manager docs

anyway. my whole point (which i suspect you missed) was this - go ahead and push for pay to seniority

just Do Not whine later when you are sitting reserve and get sent into your days off on the 10 day trip thru Asia
Do Not whine

because the senior pilots will be home watching football or hockey after their Florida turn ✈️🌴🙄

John Carr

And shack again......

Seen the argument play out all too many times.

A freight company gets paid a lot of money, the lament is "but, but, they fly freight!!!! There's NO REASON they should get paid MORE than us that fly people!!!!!!"

An LCC gets good pay rates? "But......but......WE'RE A LEGACY!!!!! We HAVE TO get paid more than them!!!!!!!!"

As opposed to what you mentioned, just STHU and saying "good for them........"

buscappy

somehow this blog went from the shiny new triple, to the paint on the shiny new triple, to pay-to-seniority vs pay to equipment and seat, to -incredibly - now, pilot pay jealousies between legacies, low cost carriers, and freight dogs. wow.

anyway. the new shiny jet looks great.
keep pushin for pay-to-seniority, bc it will make my life really sweet.
and if anyone here knows pilots who get their kicks out of earning more than freight dogs or lcc pilots, then they need to find new pilot friends

cheers 🍻