Regularguy

I know let's start a new pay scale for all new hires and those with more than 10 years to go. We'll pay those old dudes a premium pay based on GW and Airspeed and the rest a three-tiered system which pays more in the first ten years but less at the 12 year point for the old dudes who fly the big heavy jets.

What will we call this new pay scale?

Can anyone envision the problems here?

Shrek

Pay banding is DOA - it needs to be squashed once and for all.

Grumble

Fill out your contract surveys, and stop "negotiating in public."

horrido27

Why?
What would be wrong with 4 bands-
Small Narrow Body
Large Narrow Body
Small Wide Body
Large Wide Body

Then have a 4 engine override just like we have an International override?
And maybe a stretch override as they increase seating in current models?

Planes will always be moved around different bases/coasts. Proof is what is happening (again) to the 756 in EWR.
For many EWR based pilots, we will see a decrease in pay between 1grand and up to $3300 (for the top ten percent) in the coming months. All because the 76-4 is being moved to IAD and replaced with the 76-3.
[between $35-$50 difference in pay per hour]

Another example is the 74. It is slated to leave in 2017/2018 (unless things change..). To be replaced by the A350's and possible 777-3's. Had we done a separate pay rate for the whale, all those pilots would be seeing paycutes when they get displaced off the plane.

Pay banding CAN work if done correctly. Also note.. every airline has some sort of pay banding.. just a question of how many bands? Should it be 10 (like Delta, with 17 listed aircraft), or 4 (like American, with 14 listed aircraft), or 4 like we already have, here at United?.. with 13 types.

Should the 787-8 pay the same as a 787-10..? Or could it pay Small Wide Body pay vs. Large WideBody pay (with a possible stretch override?)

Good discussions to have. Guess it all comes down to -
Do we want a payscale with a small top end thereby honoring supreme seniority, or
Do we want the most possible pilots making the highest possible wages?

Always
Motch

horrido27

Here we go again with the "Stop negotiating in Public"

We are not negotiating.. we are discussing things.

There are less than 100 pilots who get involved with these discussions.. probably a few thousand lurkers.
100 out of 12500 = .8% of the pilot group.

Give it a break.

Motch

horrido27

And back to the 777-3 talks..
Good looking airplane.
And at $314/$214 per hour (in Jan), not bad...

Motch

UALinIAH

The 767-400 had NO business being banded up. It caused all the other WB pilots to get less pay. It was a product of JPOS and his attempt at gaming the SLI. Sorry no sympathy from most. You had an artificial payraise for a while. If you want full time WB pay, bid WB equipment. Otherwise it's just like SRM money. Enjoy when you get but never budget your life around it.

mrmak2

Same way "age 65" was reconciled with those who were in their early career

SpecialTracking

Not only achieving a pay scheme of your preference but righting the wrongs of your perceived injustices. What a tangled web you weave...

buscappy

message board geeks (like me) like to get all normative in the discussions. which is fine. enjoy.
but the objective, descriptive message about pay bands is - well, see earlier posts.
with broad bands, the senior pilots will hold the top third of every seat at every base. and the middle and bottom will complain about the crappy schedules and the need to fix the reserve rules.
with pay gradients, pilots can choose between money or schedule.
I couldn't care less what the mobs vote for. just be careful what you wish for.
unless we just do away with seniority altogether, which the bottom half will prefer - until they move into the top half