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Grumble 11-24-2016 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2249212)
Yeah. I get a little wound up. Especially when I start thinking about things like this..

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...enate-bill/391

Rand Paul and his 29 co-sponsors (all Republican of course) trying to crush unions. It went nowhere in this Congress with a presidential veto being assured. Time will tell if he brings it up again next Congress. No veto threat this time. Maybe a filibuster? We are screwed. And this is just one example. It's been the greatest eight years of my career. Take a look at your contract and paycheck...Let's see how they look in 4 years. Politics matter. Good luck.

Sled

PS. Happy Thanksgiving

Clarify something for me... How would this change anything for us? There is nothing that says you have to be an ALPA memeber right now, you can in fact opt out while paying a service fee for contract pay/provisions provided.

Personally I think you'd have to be stupid to try and do this job without a union.

Chuck D 11-24-2016 09:49 AM

Pilots who are very anti-union in general but very pro ALPA make me laugh.

cadetdrivr 11-24-2016 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2249263)
Clarify something for me... How would this change anything for us? There is nothing that says you have to be an ALPA memeber right now, you can in fact opt out while paying a service fee for contract pay/provisions provided.

That's correct. Now take out the part about having to pay the service fee.....

Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2249263)
Personally I think you'd have to be stupid to try and do this job without a union.

Yup.

But on the next major downturn our "peer set target" will be the stupidest group out there. Thanks to legislation like this, they'll be much "stupider" than before.

In theory, how many LUAL or LCAL pilots would have happily quit paying dues the day after the ISL was announced? Management only has to blow up the union once to reap benefits for years and years, if not permanently. Once this legislation is passed the doomsday clock is ticking. The $$$ behind legislation like this has been waiting decades for the planets to align. At this point they are happy to light the fuse and let nature take its course.


Originally Posted by Chuck D (Post 2249300)
Pilots who are very anti-union in general but very pro ALPA make me laugh.

And they are not in short supply.

Grumble 11-24-2016 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2249301)
That's correct. Now take out the part about paying the service fee.....

Yup.

But on the next major downturn our "peer set target" will be the stupidest group out there. Thanks to legislation like this, they'll be much "stupider" than before.

In theory, how many LUAL or LCAL pilots would have happily quit paying dues the day after the ISL was announced? Management only has to blow up the union once to reap benefits for years and years, if not permanently. Once this legislation is passed the doomsday clock is ticking. The $$$ behind legislation like this has been waiting decades for the planets to align. At this point they are happy to light the fuse and let nature take its course.


And they are not in short supply.

It only takes one certificate action by the FAA (they don't even have to be right), or one medical issue.... and a lifetime of ALPA dues will pay for themselves by orders of magnitude.

cadetdrivr 11-24-2016 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2249304)
It only takes one certificate action by the FAA (they don't even have to be right), or one medical issue.... and a lifetime of ALPA dues will pay for themselves by orders of magnitude.

No argument there.

But the bar will be set by those without the big picture.

RJDio 11-24-2016 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by jsled (Post 2249212)
Yeah. I get a little wound up. Especially when I start thinking about things like this..

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-...enate-bill/391

Rand Paul and his 29 co-sponsors (all Republican of course) trying to crush unions. It went nowhere in this Congress with a presidential veto being assured. Time will tell if he brings it up again next Congress. No veto threat this time. Maybe a filibuster? We are screwed. And this is just one example. It's been the greatest eight years of my career. Take a look at your contract and paycheck...Let's see how they look in 4 years. Politics matter. Good luck.

Sled

PS. Happy Thanksgiving

I believe the president elect will move more to the center, as most elected politicians do. Judging by his recent alleged softening on campaign promises, I imagine he will further become a pragmatic leader.

What we do know is the rust belt/blue collar workers showed up in big numbers to vote for the president elect. I suspect he would not be stupid enough to shoot himself in the foot and turn his back, at least in this term, against those who put him in the White House. He campaigned on American protectionism, and I'm not sure how union busting fits into that narrative.

What I do know is I am thankful for our union and am aware of the sacrifices our brethren went through the last few decades. Be safe, fly the contract, and enjoy the good ride while it lasts.

Happy thanksgiving.

Tank21 11-24-2016 03:22 PM

Back on track:

Another vacancy bid and still can't hold IAH320FO...

PA Slammer 11-24-2016 03:48 PM

And I still can't hold DEN FO...

Welcome to the club.

But they keep saying how it's a "growing market" and "it's the most profitable domestic hub"... but nothing.

dmeg13021 11-24-2016 04:15 PM

Don't worry, your seat lock will be up soon and you can quit whining.

Consuela 11-24-2016 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2249404)
And I still can't hold DEN FO...

Welcome to the club.

But they keep saying how it's a "growing market" and "it's the most profitable domestic hub"... but nothing.


Huh? There were several vacancies this bid (and the last several), which is more than the last several years. You not being senior enough to hold it doesn't equate to DEN not growing or being profitable.

I can't hold 777 CA, and it's growing and profitable....***?!


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