Lower percentage but more total in check for many. Considering our extension raises. I personally am getting about 9% more money and I flew less hours in 2016 than I did in 2015.

 

Quick pilot math....like 1% lower. Take into account hourlypay increases from last year. It's about a wash. Not enough for me to worry about.

 

Gentlemen (ie. those arguing over Senior/Junior perspectives)...who needs Union Busting Managers to pin one group against the other when you are doing it yourselves during the best of times? The junior guys/girls need to be sensitive to those who have been at UAL for the last decade+ and have fought the fight on the turf you now occupy. The senior guys/girls have to understand that the majority of newer Pilots at UAL didn't just get their ticket yesterday and then strolled into this great contract. The majority have been slogging it out and fighting the same fight to preserve the integrity of our Profession but on different fronts, often in the midst of lesser pay and working conditions.

Save your energy and collective capital for the true enemy. Times are good now and we need to cultivate our value proposition during these profitable times. However, the time is coming when we will once again be fighting for our survival and, without solidarity, we will have nothing.

 

Well said.

 

I don't get it a lot of the new guys and gals want work rules instead of pay raises and kicking the can down the road tell 2019. But all you old guys tell us we're stupid and grab the money. Then you tell us to shut up and stop complaining because y'all never made any money back in the day.......So if we can't fix the work rules because you senior dudes want money, and we can't complain about the money because y'all never made money before......then what do the junior pilots have to talk about?

So I will walk around and say thank you all day.....Thanks for sticking me with terrible reserve rules, terrible vacation pay, terrible training pay, terrible sick/vacation accrual and all the other issues you senior pilots decided to put off until the end of the decade.

Thanks.....now I'm off to the bank. Because regardless of all I said above I love that check

 

Sounds like you need the safe space and coloring book..... we all feel bad you were only making $130000 a year 😴😴😴. Move on....

It does suck for guys that have 10/11 months of service and miss the profit sharing. The company is bound to pretty strict IRS guidlines, its common for companies to require 12 months or 1000 hours of service to meet IRS requirements.

 

Haha. During the last "pro business" administration, we had a double furlough and a bankruptcy. Record profits and contracts under the current administration. Just the facts, ma'am. Enjoy your PS goose egg and read some aviation history. I hope you still have a job after the incoming "pro business" administration. 😂

 

Thread drift

 

Once the national "Right to Work" law (aka Right for Management to Bust Unions) is passed the clock will be ticking for us. The effect for UA pilots will be quite slow at first, and perhaps not noticeable for years, but then quite dramatic once the dominos fall.

A small increase in profit sharing as a result of increased corporate profits will be dwarfed by a nice 30-40% decrease in career total compensation. (For a comparison of "market rates", refer to the non-CBA compensation at companies like VA or JB. Make sure to include retirement and health insurance expenses in the calculation.)

Of course, I'm a cynic. Maybe we'll all get ponies.

 

Lot of truth here. For many, this place is all about the money and what's in it for me as opposed to what's in it for us. Esprit de corps has departed the fix. Exactly why is fodder for another thread and I won't stick my toe in that tub at this point.

You and DWS1 seem to have some of this figured out, but many are blinded by the shiny dimes and the opportunity to spend MORE time away from base, not less. Just look at the forums over the last 2 - 3 years and you'll see all the division. Enjoy (and save) the money while you can because these are the good old days. The really sweet work rules are likely gone forever. As are most of the guys who remember them, and fought for them for the benefit of the group.