C17B74

That was probably during the 30hr max runs at Kalitta, definitely sounds brutal. NOT an Atlas thing to have numerous high hard times awarded as most are five to maybe 15 over guarantee even on the 74. Granted, this upcoming month I have a 100 hour hard flying credit line (rare at best), but the rest were: 85, some 80s mostly mid 70s due to rig. This is definitely base and equipment specific but nothing you can count on. When you fly a third more than most of our lines and stay out less by three or more days you have a tighter schedule, less downtime and more time home to include $ (aside from soft time as well which must be awesome). These are the results of most scheduled flying. If the proposed purchase of our outfit becomes reality, some believe within our ranks that we may get increased pay rates. My guess is before any pay rates, the talent will bring in “the optimizer” and the gaps are filled with more consistent flying which brings higher hard time credit and perhaps less time away, or not. Most of my friends who left miss the variety of flying (types), casual flying not under the gun and being stuck out more sometimes offers you opportunities you can capitalize on. I doubt it will last with truly optimized schedules.

*Only a few days away from the awarded high hard time line starting out and it’s already starting to unravel. A couple of operating legs disappeared but will be paid anyway. They may fill it with something better, worse or nothing. Change is our theme song and the nature of our beast not being “scheduled flying” like most other operations. 777, 76 definitely run a more solid schedule vendor dependent.

**For those who receive the TBNT keep at it or it may prove to be beneficial and may you find your sweet spot in the mean time.

FTv3

At least you know. My true love never even gave me the time of day. However, if you didn’t dik up the interview then it’s probably some personality profile / corporate culture matching thing which has nothing to do with how good of a pilot you are so who gives AF?

Try FedEx? Reading their forums it sounds like the work experience is identical to Brown nowadays. Our contracts and very similar as well.

APCbot

No, the timing out thing was happening after the 30 hour duty went away. To put it in perspective how hard Kalitta works their pilots, we carried something like 95% of the freight Atlas did, and we're a third the size. They work their crews to the bone, period.

dera

Where do you get that number from? Atlas carried over 2.5 times more cargo (CTK) in 2021 than Kalitta.

Don't disagree about their schedules though, Atlas schedules are a joke in how inefficient they are. 7 day layovers are somewhat common.
I'm hoping we never see the optimizer other airlines are suffering from.

APCbot

I'll find out and post it here.

APCbot

Here it was from 2020.

https://www.aircargonews.net/monthly-exclusive/freighter-operators-rise-up-the-rankings/



5458 for Atlas 5211 for Kalitta. And Kalitta is like a third the size, and that's being generous.

Bahamasflyer

I can relate first hand. I go the TBNT not just once but TWICE from Jetblue this year. Now I have a CJO at UAL and am awaiting a class date. Everything happens for a reason even though it was devastating especially the 2nd time.

C17B74

There was no real argument to the workload on my part and I appreciate the perspective and insight as it proved an overall point. Atlas is “NOT” Kalitta regarding lifestyles or work rules when we get rolled up together as ACMI brothers during the previous posts or in any other thread we get lump summed together. ACMI business wise yes, to the bone no! Granted, with a new owner possibly things will be closer to the bone time will tell.

*We assist Purple and Brown as required as Kalitta assists us as well. Just business.

Birdsmash

You also need to add Polar,

Birdsmash

You also need to add Polar.