Originally Posted by Swedish Blender

How do you define that?

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender

How do you define that? Someone who leaves early has also "retired" from UPS. Doesn't matter if they take a job somewhere else.

One of the "retired" posters took the VTP before 60, the normal retirement age per contract. Does that mean he resigned?

Originally Posted by flyguy23

Very simple. Is the person still collecting a check from UPS?

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender

Okay. You’re vested after year 1. So someone who quits sometime after that will eventually get a check.

Will they will be considered retired once that happens?

Originally Posted by flyguy23

You're just being difficult to be difficult. None of this is complicated.

In fact the rules are already in place and they're good. None of this debate is necessary.

Originally Posted by Swedish Blender

Not being difficult, just trying to provoke thought.

What if someone who “resigned” instead of retired could post about the real world plus/minus of their current job. Would that be more beneficial than the “retirees” who post more of the same we always hear?

Right now, most retirees who post, excluding #geezerlivesmatter and Pic about money, believe they possess some earth shattering information and view points. It’s really just more of the same and a continuation of when they were employed. Guess what, we still deal with the exact same things so it’s nothing new.

I don’t believe the ones who continually disparage or condescend current members should be given free rein. Everyone is an adult and can read posts make their own decision without input form self proclaimed grand poobahs refuting everything under the sun.

Why input on an election? EG explained the healthcare, which is really the only item that applies, Then again, wait until a TA comes out and they tell us how to vote.

Originally Posted by Brownose74

we are missing the forest looking for a tree. In the gran scheme of things, I believe most IPA members are tired of the same 2 retirees coming up ganging up on anyone who has a different view. I enjoy the input of most the people who are retired, heck most of them are chill as heck on the BG.
then there’s our infamous BK whom I have no clue how he still has a job. The guy is a total disgrace to our group.
The solution is quite simply really, a block button, and heavier moderation.
the one dude yesterday stating that we make more than delta? I mean really? Yes, he’s a data guy and, and he might be correct in the long run, but come on man. It’s giving the company a foot to stand on during negotiations. Stuff like that needs to maybe be moderated more. That’s why it’s always been said, “don’t negotiate in public”.
why BK is gaining traction is due to the fact that the IPA, like any other union, have members that differ in opinions.
I’ve flown with guys who want home basing. Others who want that other type of bidding —for the love of me I forgot the name— , or tons more money cus UPS will never enforce article 13 language.
it’s okay for people to rally behind others who differ opinions.
to me a simple block button or a report button would be beneficial when attacks are becoming personal.
JB attacking a line pilots flight, in a public forum? Really? Why? Why is this allowed? What is the relevance of a IPA pilot that pays dues that has 1 flight that’s in the opinion of a retiree not good, beneficial to us as a group? Why isn’t that moderated? Why is that dude JB given total authority to just disparage anyone who doesn’t drink the IPA cool aid?
then there’s the guy that for everything has to make every post political. FFS man, he needs to go to away already. He seems like a sharp man, has valuable input but has to make everything god damn political. That’s the stuff that needs to be moderated and these people warned to stop or go away.

Originally Posted by Brownose74

we are missing the forest looking for a tree. In the gran scheme of things, I believe most IPA members are tired of the same 2 retirees coming up ganging up on anyone who has a different view. I enjoy the input of most the people who are retired, heck most of them are chill as heck on the BG.
then there’s our infamous BK whom I have no clue how he still has a job. The guy is a total disgrace to our group.
The solution is quite simply really, a block button, and heavier moderation.
the one dude yesterday stating that we make more than delta? I mean really? Yes, he’s a data guy and, and he might be correct in the long run, but come on man. It’s giving the company a foot to stand on during negotiations. Stuff like that needs to maybe be moderated more. That’s why it’s always been said, “don’t negotiate in public”.
why BK is gaining traction is due to the fact that the IPA, like any other union, have members that differ in opinions.
I’ve flown with guys who want home basing. Others who want that other type of bidding —for the love of me I forgot the name— , or tons more money cus UPS will never enforce article 13 language.
it’s okay for people to rally behind others who differ opinions.
to me a simple block button or a report button would be beneficial when attacks are becoming personal.
JB attacking a line pilots flight, in a public forum? Really? Why? Why is this allowed? What is the relevance of a IPA pilot that pays dues that has 1 flight that’s in the opinion of a retiree not good, beneficial to us as a group? Why isn’t that moderated? Why is that dude JB given total authority to just disparage anyone who doesn’t drink the IPA cool aid?
then there’s the guy that for everything has to make every post political. FFS man, he needs to go to away already. He seems like a sharp man, has valuable input but has to make everything god damn political. That’s the stuff that needs to be moderated and these people warned to stop or go away.

Originally Posted by CCCXCI

For the life of me I don’t understand why people would argue against getting absolutely everything out of this company that we can.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Literally nobody has made that argument.