View Poll Results: When will we get a TA?
2024
1
1.37%
2025
13
17.81%
2026
36
49.32%
It’ll be forever
23
31.51%
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Contract 2025?
10-13-2023, 09:23 PM
#21
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 60
I think timing provides a lot of context and doesn’t get talked about enough. Our timing was such that we got stuck behind the Teamsters and waiting for upward movement at the Big 3 and Purple. The Teamsters and The Big 3 landed, and Purple went around. Pattern bargaining works but it’s hard to raise the bar on compensation when you’re already leading. The extension gave us time and raised the floor while allowing us to wait for the other shoes to drop. Starting the contract forensics work last year would have meant they were analyzing soon to be obsolete data. Would that have been a good idea? By waiting, the contract study work can encompass the new contracts at the Big 3 entirely, and Purple’s rejected TA can still add value. We gained leverage AND perspective. Add in the news this week that UPS defied the “slow” stereotype and agreed to push the timeline up and it seems to me that extending was a smart long-game move by EB. Chess, not checkers.
Last edited by GoodRide; 10-13-2023 at 09:33 PM.
10-14-2023, 03:40 AM
#23
On Reserve
Joined APC: May 2023
Position: 757 CA
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by Flybynight101
People need to stop arguing about the extensions. They’re over. People also need to stop saying the vast majority of the membership supported them. I, like many other people voted yes simply because we thought it was the better of two evils and the more important fact, the EB recommended it. I still think it was a **** sandwich. Just because 90% or so of people voted yes, doest’t mean they all thought it was some incredible Jedi mind trick we got away with.
Have you considered that the Executive Board thought the same? That they took a look at the totality of the situation, considered all the factors, and chose the LEAST WORST option for the pilot group?
I ask because I confronted both Boards both times the Contract Extensions were presented about the reasoning and timing. I told our President directly after learning of the second extension that it'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl, but that the pilot group trusted him and the Board. I haven't spoken with one person the last three years who is ecstatic about the delay in QOL improvements, substantial pay increases, retirement bumps, etc. But the situation was as you described, a **** sandwich. We just got the least crappy bite to position ourselves for next year, and I know for a fact the EB wasn't happy with having to choose extensions over substantial negotiations.
10-14-2023, 05:38 AM
#24
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,512
Originally Posted by Lowslung
We also need to be prepared to send the unequivocal message to our elected leaders that we will settle for nothing less than a truly all aspect, industry leading contract.
10-14-2023, 06:51 AM
#25
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2017
Posts: 60
Originally Posted by Swedish Blender
Perspective…sure.
Leverage…I fail to see it.
Leverage…I fail to see it.
10-14-2023, 03:49 PM
#29
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2014
Position: F/O
Posts: 135
Originally Posted by fr8munky
Have you considered that the Executive Board thought the same? That they took a look at the totality of the situation, considered all the factors, and chose the LEAST WORST option for the pilot group?
I ask because I confronted both Boards both times the Contract Extensions were presented about the reasoning and timing. I told our President directly after learning of the second extension that it'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl, but that the pilot group trusted him and the Board. I haven't spoken with one person the last three years who is ecstatic about the delay in QOL improvements, substantial pay increases, retirement bumps, etc. But the situation was as you described, a **** sandwich. We just got the least crappy bite to position ourselves for next year, and I know for a fact the EB wasn't happy with having to choose extensions over substantial negotiations.
I ask because I confronted both Boards both times the Contract Extensions were presented about the reasoning and timing. I told our President directly after learning of the second extension that it'll go over like a turd in a punchbowl, but that the pilot group trusted him and the Board. I haven't spoken with one person the last three years who is ecstatic about the delay in QOL improvements, substantial pay increases, retirement bumps, etc. But the situation was as you described, a **** sandwich. We just got the least crappy bite to position ourselves for next year, and I know for a fact the EB wasn't happy with having to choose extensions over substantial negotiations.
10-14-2023, 04:35 PM
#30
Social Media retired.
Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 777
Originally Posted by Flybynight101
I think we’re saying the same thing. I’m talking about the people that think the extension was the greatest thing since sliced bread and pointing to the overwhelming percentage of yes votes to support that claim.
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