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11-23-2023, 06:18 PM

#11

Riverside

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Originally Posted by hercretired

what is upgrade time for the most recent new hires

we hired a lot, so it'll be awhile. But with these terrible schedules, who knows.

11-24-2023, 07:35 AM

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CL300

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Originally Posted by MD11Simnerd

Current word from MX guys is 8 parking in 2024.

Got it. You’d think they would make it official sometime soon, but who knows around here.

Anyone have numbers on new 767 deliveries for 2024?

11-24-2023, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CL300

Got it. You’d think they would make it official sometime soon, but who knows around here.

Anyone have numbers on new 767 deliveries for 2024?

I think I read four, will have to see if I can find a reference. The total will be 108 767s from what I have read publicly.

11-24-2023, 01:42 PM

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Sept GMMs reported eight new 767 deliveries in 2024.

11-24-2023, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BoilerUP

Sept GMMs reported eight new 767 deliveries in 2024.

That is good news

11-25-2023, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyR

From my small perspective… Lots of guys leaving even after the VTP and I've heard some J/A calls going out. I know it’s about to be peak but I bet there will be new blood here before 2025

Outside of VTP less than half a dozen have left recently. Post VTP, next year we only have about 35 retiring, so maybe double that to say 70, maybe. Next year seniority progression going to be very slow. Should return to 100+ in 2025. With 8 airplanes leaving and about the same coming in, I don’t see any hiring. We may see a realignment bid with say 50 or so upgrades to replace some of the VTP people, and to better balance Capt/FO ratio, but that’s it. And while schedules are horrible, they have gotten slightly better only due to amount of flying we have, less flying means they don’t have to stuff so much crap in the bag.

11-25-2023, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by C2078

Post VTP, next year we only have about 35 retiring, so maybe double that to say 70, maybe.

23 mandatory 2024 post VTP per Scott’s November seniority list.

11-25-2023, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by hercretired

what is upgrade time for the most recent new hires

2017 and succeeding years were all strong years for hiring. 2014-2016 were relatively light hiring years in comparison. This means that calendar wise upgrades will almost certainly continue to slow. However, package volume will drive everything.

The CEO is explicitly pursuing higher revenue per package, not so much more packages. That said, the system needs some minimum level of package volume to make the economics work. It’s a balance that the companies appears to be struggling with right now. Personally, I think we’re likely to see a shifting strategy and some recovery in volume going forward as low hanging fruit the company intentionally ignored the last few years is picked. What this means for the average line pilot? My guess is average 75 upgrades per year over the next 3-4 years.

11-26-2023, 07:10 AM

#19

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Originally Posted by FTv3

Not much info to report unfortunately and few people predict any hiring in 2024, but we do this thread yearly so here it is.

What we do know:

23 more 767 deliveries between now and 2026.

23 mandatory retirements in 2024, 35 in 2025, and 81 in 2026. 2028-2038 averages out to somewhere in the 140/yr range.

Some MD’s will be parked.

Negotiations for next contract begin.

Rumors:

Next system bid Feb 2024

No hiring until 2025
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The last chunk of pages from this thread (2023 hiring) have some useful info on 2024 hiring.

As always, please try to keep commentary on topic so those interested in getting on here don’t have to waste their time digging through crap.

Mods, please sticky this thread. Thx!

System Bid in Feb. 2024? I would be more specific and predict a Realignment/Displacement Bid. Probably in Jan. They have to backfill, especially to Z. From the MD most likely.

11-26-2023, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocoloco

System Bid in Feb. 2024? I would be more specific and predict a Realignment/Displacement Bid. Probably in Jan. They have to backfill, especially to Z. From the MD most likely.

Us MD types are very busy. No way can we spare any bodies for the 76 or 74. Y’all will just have to do more with less.