Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-29-2016, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
Anybody know how many of the AE positions are still vacant and to be filled?
And, I've got to ask the question: why are they still awarding 747 F/O positions? Look at the August reserve list on that thing compared to any narrowbody aircraft in NYC. Can we borrow some of these guys??? And that isn't a jab at 747 guys. If I could hold it, I would and gladly commute to reserve. But I don't understand the logic behind awarding that to people when they appear to have more reserves than they know what to do with, the summer months are over and the fleet is shrinking. Meanwhile...in narrowbody NYC land there isn't a single day of positive reserve coverage on the 717, M88, A320, or 757 (and just a handful on the 737 right at the minimum level). Again....not an attack on the widebody guys. I hope to be one of you someday. It just makes no sense to me why they underman NYC so much and keep adding bodies to fleets that seem to have plenty of bodies already. I'm hoping the 500 new hires coming July through October will help things out with some schedule flexibility and coverage.
And, I've got to ask the question: why are they still awarding 747 F/O positions? Look at the August reserve list on that thing compared to any narrowbody aircraft in NYC. Can we borrow some of these guys??? And that isn't a jab at 747 guys. If I could hold it, I would and gladly commute to reserve. But I don't understand the logic behind awarding that to people when they appear to have more reserves than they know what to do with, the summer months are over and the fleet is shrinking. Meanwhile...in narrowbody NYC land there isn't a single day of positive reserve coverage on the 717, M88, A320, or 757 (and just a handful on the 737 right at the minimum level). Again....not an attack on the widebody guys. I hope to be one of you someday. It just makes no sense to me why they underman NYC so much and keep adding bodies to fleets that seem to have plenty of bodies already. I'm hoping the 500 new hires coming July through October will help things out with some schedule flexibility and coverage.
If there's no F/O for LGA-JAX an hour prior to push they'll just reroute one off of some other portion of their workday and cover it.
07-29-2016, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
Anybody know how many of the AE positions are still vacant and to be filled?
And, I've got to ask the question: why are they still awarding 747 F/O positions? Look at the August reserve list on that thing compared to any narrowbody aircraft in NYC. Can we borrow some of these guys??? And that isn't a jab at 747 guys. If I could hold it, I would and gladly commute to reserve. But I don't understand the logic behind awarding that to people when they appear to have more reserves than they know what to do with, the summer months are over and the fleet is shrinking. Meanwhile...in narrowbody NYC land there isn't a single day of positive reserve coverage on the 717, M88, A320, or 757 (and just a handful on the 737 right at the minimum level). Again....not an attack on the widebody guys. I hope to be one of you someday. It just makes no sense to me why they underman NYC so much and keep adding bodies to fleets that seem to have plenty of bodies already. I'm hoping the 500 new hires coming July through October will help things out with some schedule flexibility and coverage.
And, I've got to ask the question: why are they still awarding 747 F/O positions? Look at the August reserve list on that thing compared to any narrowbody aircraft in NYC. Can we borrow some of these guys??? And that isn't a jab at 747 guys. If I could hold it, I would and gladly commute to reserve. But I don't understand the logic behind awarding that to people when they appear to have more reserves than they know what to do with, the summer months are over and the fleet is shrinking. Meanwhile...in narrowbody NYC land there isn't a single day of positive reserve coverage on the 717, M88, A320, or 757 (and just a handful on the 737 right at the minimum level). Again....not an attack on the widebody guys. I hope to be one of you someday. It just makes no sense to me why they underman NYC so much and keep adding bodies to fleets that seem to have plenty of bodies already. I'm hoping the 500 new hires coming July through October will help things out with some schedule flexibility and coverage.
07-30-2016, 04:40 AM
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12202 holy crap! Does the MadDog really suck that bad?
07-30-2016, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
12202 holy crap! Does the MadDog really suck that bad?
07-30-2016, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
12202 holy crap! Does the MadDog really suck that bad?
07-30-2016, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
12202 holy crap! Does the MadDog really suck that bad?
I'm a junior FO on it. It was funny the other day...Had a senior m88 FO on the Jumpseat, and after a short taxi with a flurry of activity he said "Dang, do I really work that hard in that seat?!" I replied yes, you've just become somewhat numb to it.
07-30-2016, 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
The mad dog sucks. New York sucks. Put them together and your work life is miserable. Uncommutable trips, covering 3 airports on reserve, delayed flights trying to get to work. Who needs the stress? Let someone with a 12,000 plus employee number deal with it.
07-30-2016, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Flt ops has put out several times that the 747 block hours for summer of 17 are almost the same as this summer. As crews bid off they have to be replaced to meet the contractual minimums.
I understand we have some sort of contractual minimum and I understand that the company loses more money if the 747 doesn't go vs the M88. I'm just trying to figure out how the 747 is at contractual mins during the summer months when they have several days with 6 required and 30 available (which should only get better after the summer is over). While on the 320 in NYC, for example, they have a dozen days in August already where they have either zero or one reserve person available at all and not a single day with coverage. Where are the contractual mins for that and other fleets? I know we are hiring a lot for this last AE and that's great, but where was the hiring to cover the contractual requirements for the summer that has already passed, or the summer of 2015 or 2014? Shouldn't the contractual minimums for reserve cover all bases and all fleets? The answer I usually hear is "well they are junior bases." Ok..., so we can't manage that or have a requirement for that as well? And if the company isn't meeting the contract requirements for these "junior" fleets and bases; does ALPA lodge a complaint or do we just manage it with maxing out the reserves and having guys fly their 6th+ green slip for the month instead of actually hiring more people? Again I'm not trying to start an argument, just legitimately trying to figure out why we have a system where we get the contract honoured on one end ("meet the contractual minimums"), while on the other end they, and we, don't seem to care or back up the contractual obligations ("it's a junior fleet").
07-30-2016, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by HTBH
Got it. And I'm legitimately trying to understand this, not just throwin stones and wanting to argue, or complaining about being junior. I actually have had a great schedule this summer.
I understand we have some sort of contractual minimum and I understand that the company loses more money if the 747 doesn't go vs the M88. I'm just trying to figure out how the 747 is at contractual mins during the summer months when they have several days with 6 required and 30 available (which should only get better after the summer is over). While on the 320 in NYC, for example, they have a dozen days in August already where they have either zero or one reserve person available at all and not a single day with coverage. Where are the contractual mins for that and other fleets? I know we are hiring a lot for this last AE and that's great, but where was the hiring to cover the contractual requirements for the summer that has already passed, or the summer of 2015 or 2014? Shouldn't the contractual minimums for reserve cover all bases and all fleets? The answer I usually hear is "well they are junior bases." Ok..., so we can't manage that or have a requirement for that as well? And if the company isn't meeting the contract requirements for these "junior" fleets and bases; does ALPA lodge a complaint or do we just manage it with maxing out the reserves and having guys fly their 6th+ green slip for the month instead of actually hiring more people? Again I'm not trying to start an argument, just legitimately trying to figure out why we have a system where we get the contract honoured on one end ("meet the contractual minimums"), while on the other end they, and we, don't seem to care or back up the contractual obligations ("it's a junior fleet").
I understand we have some sort of contractual minimum and I understand that the company loses more money if the 747 doesn't go vs the M88. I'm just trying to figure out how the 747 is at contractual mins during the summer months when they have several days with 6 required and 30 available (which should only get better after the summer is over). While on the 320 in NYC, for example, they have a dozen days in August already where they have either zero or one reserve person available at all and not a single day with coverage. Where are the contractual mins for that and other fleets? I know we are hiring a lot for this last AE and that's great, but where was the hiring to cover the contractual requirements for the summer that has already passed, or the summer of 2015 or 2014? Shouldn't the contractual minimums for reserve cover all bases and all fleets? The answer I usually hear is "well they are junior bases." Ok..., so we can't manage that or have a requirement for that as well? And if the company isn't meeting the contract requirements for these "junior" fleets and bases; does ALPA lodge a complaint or do we just manage it with maxing out the reserves and having guys fly their 6th+ green slip for the month instead of actually hiring more people? Again I'm not trying to start an argument, just legitimately trying to figure out why we have a system where we get the contract honoured on one end ("meet the contractual minimums"), while on the other end they, and we, don't seem to care or back up the contractual obligations ("it's a junior fleet").
07-30-2016, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by waldo135
Yes ALPA cares. Delta is paying 717 FOs 5.something hours each for going below contractural mins this spring for a few days.
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