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03-26-2018, 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Gooner
Yet in a discussion about mainline pilots ruining the lives about said regional pilots...
Originally Posted by CBreezy
That's not an argument. It's using patriotism to try and win an argument. I refuted your bogus claim that officer pay is pretty much the same as regional FO pay and you come back with some classless argument about how my friends didn't die flying RJs rebuttal.
And you're right, not as many pilots die flying commercially but there have been PLENTY that have. In fact, I don't know if you remember it, but a regional turboprop crashed and Kool killed everyone on board not that long ago. And then there was that UPS crash on 2013. But you're right, their deaths are meaningless compared to your friends
And you're right, not as many pilots die flying commercially but there have been PLENTY that have. In fact, I don't know if you remember it, but a regional turboprop crashed and Kool killed everyone on board not that long ago. And then there was that UPS crash on 2013. But you're right, their deaths are meaningless compared to your friends
03-26-2018, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Han Solo
Can you not see the absurdity of this statement?
I did not say they were pretty much the same -- you did, I said "A LT in the military doesn't make a whole lot more". We could go into how a regional pilot can earn overtime and then figure out just how many hours a LT works to figure out an hourly rate but that wasn't the point of my post. I went on to say "Everybody pays their dues in one way or another" which is a fact often overlooked by somebody who only wants to compare W2s. The forum laments the plight of regional pilots pay but bring up a very real consequence of death in the military and all of a sudden I'm heartless and making an embarrassing argument? Really?
I did not say they were pretty much the same -- you did, I said "A LT in the military doesn't make a whole lot more". We could go into how a regional pilot can earn overtime and then figure out just how many hours a LT works to figure out an hourly rate but that wasn't the point of my post. I went on to say "Everybody pays their dues in one way or another" which is a fact often overlooked by somebody who only wants to compare W2s. The forum laments the plight of regional pilots pay but bring up a very real consequence of death in the military and all of a sudden I'm heartless and making an embarrassing argument? Really?
To say that being a CFI/box flier/regional pilot is pretty much the same hard knocks as going to pilot training and flying a fighter jet shows a complete lack of understanding of what it is like to go the civilian route.
03-26-2018, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The cheapest KIA is a dramatically better car then a Caddy in the 70’s.
Big cars, big belts, big sun glasses and a squeeze on each arm.
Those were the days.
03-26-2018, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by FMGEC
Curious question: How many airborne combat death have there been in the past 15 years?
How many have happened during training? (Military)
Now, tell me how many civilian operational pilot deaths there have been in the same time.
And also tell me how many civilian training deaths have occurred in the past 15 years.
Oh, and be sure you include the fatality ratio to hours flown.
As a CFI I couldn’t get life insurance because no one (outside of AOPA) would write a policy. But, my friends in the ANG has no problem getting coverage.
Don’t be surprised if Mike Rowe narrates a TV show called “The Deadliest Job” while following CFI’s around every day.
How many have happened during training? (Military)
Now, tell me how many civilian operational pilot deaths there have been in the same time.
And also tell me how many civilian training deaths have occurred in the past 15 years.
Oh, and be sure you include the fatality ratio to hours flown.
As a CFI I couldn’t get life insurance because no one (outside of AOPA) would write a policy. But, my friends in the ANG has no problem getting coverage.
Don’t be surprised if Mike Rowe narrates a TV show called “The Deadliest Job” while following CFI’s around every day.
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03-26-2018, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
727A pay in 1973 was $54,000. so, maybe a Pinto?
03-26-2018, 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by badflaps
727A pay in 1973 was $54,000. so, maybe a Pinto?
03-26-2018, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ship741
The 1986 guy paid nothing for a cadillac (see what I did there) medical plan and paid nothing for a fantastic retirement plan that paid tens of millions of dollars in benefits for 40 years b4 bankruptcy. To say nothing of work rules. I'll bet the 1986 total compensation package was much higher all in apples to apples
03-26-2018, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by qball
A ‘74 El Dorado Convertable was 7800 and change in 1974. 400 bucks for the optional 8 track
03-26-2018, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I think pay in those days is a bit overrated. In 1986 a L011 CA made about 160,000 a year. Cuts had not hit the top at that point. Inflation calculator pegs that at 360,000 a year today. A 350 CA flying his basic line will make about the same. Add in PS and it’s more.
03-26-2018, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Ship741
I did not mean to imply that any one person received 40 years of retirement benefits, nor to imply that there wasn't real harm suffered by those who lost massively on the banruptcy. The point I made a was that the plan was in effect for that long or longer, probably paying benefits to hundreds (thousands?) Of employees who paid nothing for that benefit. I was trying to make an apples to apples comparison on total comp, not just pay, and certainly not trying to understate any loss suffer by those who lost their retirement.
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