https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVFK8sVdJNg

 

Still won’t answer the question. I’ve made my point. You are not worth the effort any more.

Denny

 

That is unfortunate, Denny. However I won't entertain a fallacious argument or respond to ad hominem attacks. That is the point I have made. If you understand why I responded the way I did, then at least I have taught you something.

I posted some links below just in case you don't know what a fallacious argument is. And be sure to watch the whole youtube video I posted describing ad hominem attacks, so you can fully understand why you haven't produced a sound argument for me to respond to yet. If you think you have superior experience and knowledge on the subject, use it to beat me in an argument. Don't try and use it to beat ME. After all, you will probably have a hard time insulting an anonymous internet profile with a username like "poopplop".

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Fallacious+argument
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

I am happy to discuss the topic with you and will try to be as civil as possible, with perhaps a few interjections of sarcasm. Have a nice day.

poop

 

The problem with this black/white logic, current in all spheres of interest, is that it leads to no compromise and thus no contract would ever be signed.

That’s why I find it hard to fully blame and call that generation sell outs, compromise was required. Bankruptcy is too powerful a tool against workers who can’t strike to lay all responsibility at their feet.

As I have said repeatedly, it was a long, painful (for everyone, even said “sell outs”) result, that hopefully we as a profession learned from. But I hope you maintain your strong fight against giving up scope, we will need it. The new threats are unforeseen though, so it’s not always easy to avoid accidentally selling out as you say.

 

As things improve “non rev”
Wise at least our biggest opponent are mainline pilots who allowed these sub standard jobs to exist and now are arguing to stop their improvement.

 

Aviation has had crap jobs since Glenn Curtiss, "Improvements" at some one elses expense is little more than wealth sharing.

 

Yes, I understand compromise. I have already presented an alternate compromise that wouldn't have sold job market share. You act as if selling jobs was the only option to compromise. Black/white logic, as you say...

Something was gained or retained by selling scope. Just because the people that sold it didn't know what it was worth, doesn't absolve them of the mistake. Now that we can all see the consequences of the mistake clearly, hopefully it won't be made again.

 

But the company had its desires as well, maybe your alternative compromise was a non starter to the company’s plans.

If you want to lay blame, yes they signed off on it. I may be wrong but I doubt regional jets were on the scope offer sheet from the pilot side. I choose to fault the company and wanting to beat down labor prices rather than fellow pilots.

 

I’m sure that when FA’s or MX get a raise that burns you. Money out of your pocket
I love it when mainline pilots complain about regional pilots wages and how it hurts their profit sharing.

 

Thirty years, I have nothing corporate to show for it. It is like I was never there. My one benefit was air travel. I operate out of a station largely Endevour, with three mainline rides a day. Very difficult to S3b on the smaller jets. The saving grace were the 717's. Now that is shot in the butt. I wish you a better retirement than mine.