American Merger?
02-14-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
#8880 STL CA ex TWA 7 October 1988 more to follow.
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And the difference between sen # 8846 and # 8880 is four people. Big whoopie doo.
The reason is some of the folks in between those two were assigned other bases, deferred recall, mil leave, etc.
8846 is the most junior Capt a 1988 hire, Plain english, a 1988 hire is not a 1989 hire. Please provide us with the names of all the 1989 hires that are Capts.
Also, what the heck do the Ozark pilots have to do with my Senior Prom ?
Pull it together man.
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02-14-2008, 06:09 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
Try to stay on topic FF. You constantly are referring to TWA being stapled.
Using you words of TWA being stapled then why did so many CA's from TWA come in ahead of me.
I am very aware of supplement CC. And generally it does not affect me.
I just will not let you post on and on about how TWA was stapled.
They were not.
I still disagree, 1988-1989 TWA gets a CA seat in St Louis.
10 STL 767I CA's ex TWA
271 STL S80 CA's ex TWA
55 or so TWA S80 FO's in STL
I have no problem whatsoever with 1988-1989 CA's that are EX TWA. they have 19-20 years in and certainly deserve to be CA's.
Aside from the most junior TWA pilots, I do not see the Staple.
And to be totally honest, in 2001 I do not remember exactly how many TWA CA's came in senior to me. It might have been between 600+ to 800.
Again why are you carrying a grudge for the Ozark pilots that happened years before you went to High School Prom?
Grow up.
7576
Using you words of TWA being stapled then why did so many CA's from TWA come in ahead of me.
I am very aware of supplement CC. And generally it does not affect me.
I just will not let you post on and on about how TWA was stapled.
They were not.
I still disagree, 1988-1989 TWA gets a CA seat in St Louis.
10 STL 767I CA's ex TWA
271 STL S80 CA's ex TWA
55 or so TWA S80 FO's in STL
I have no problem whatsoever with 1988-1989 CA's that are EX TWA. they have 19-20 years in and certainly deserve to be CA's.
Aside from the most junior TWA pilots, I do not see the Staple.
And to be totally honest, in 2001 I do not remember exactly how many TWA CA's came in senior to me. It might have been between 600+ to 800.
Again why are you carrying a grudge for the Ozark pilots that happened years before you went to High School Prom?
Grow up.
7576
If I wasn't stapled then how was I integrated on your list ???
The only grudge I have against a very few OZ pilots is that they were glad to see TWA go under, because they felt TWA squashed their hometown airline. Those pilots frequent Smilin Jacks m.b. and that number is less than can be counted on one hand, other than that I view OZ pilots as TWA pilots and they're a good group of guys and good stick-n-rudder pilots...and yes you can quote any part of that, they had nothing to do with my prom...why is that a recurring theme with you..was yours bad ???..lol.
02-14-2008, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
#8880 STL CA ex TWA 7 October 1988 more to follow.
Again I do not have any problem with any and every Ex TWA pilot that is DOH senior to me being a CA.
If TWA was stapled as FliFast's own words suggest, then why are so many CA's senior to me?
More furloughee's will return to the left seat in STL. I have no problem with that. If you have 17 + years in then you deserve to be a CA.
My problem here is FliFast is constantly using his hatred for APA and AA to promote his views.
Several threads FF's jealousy of even the Ozark pilots is indicative of this mans temperament.
Many TWA junior pilots were stapled to the bottom of AA's list.
Many were not.
Those are the facts.
Again I do not have any problem with any and every Ex TWA pilot that is DOH senior to me being a CA.
If TWA was stapled as FliFast's own words suggest, then why are so many CA's senior to me?
More furloughee's will return to the left seat in STL. I have no problem with that. If you have 17 + years in then you deserve to be a CA.
My problem here is FliFast is constantly using his hatred for APA and AA to promote his views.
Several threads FF's jealousy of even the Ozark pilots is indicative of this mans temperament.
Many TWA junior pilots were stapled to the bottom of AA's list.
Many were not.
Those are the facts.
Ask Ed White why TWA pilots hate the APA...because we can. lol. Ever hear of the AICA pilot union on property at American Airlines, it wasn't started because they give out cool bag tags..c'mon you know better.
Yes, I admit I am jealous of the OZ pilots, they have been continually employed under Supp CC in their hometown of STL (not all, but a lot live in STL) and I am on my third airline after my furlough. Wouldn't you be jealous of them too, I know I am.
Are these trick questions ????
7576, yes I'll change my story that out of 24,000 TWA employees only the pilot group and some of the mechanics did not get stapled. I have no idea how many mechanics did not get stapled, but in the pilot group approx 65% did get stapled, 5 % took the early-out (FERB) and the other 30 % were slotted 1 for 8 back in 2002-2003 time frame.
Why again did our most senior pilot have to retire in 2000 ?
So yes, I concede out of 24,000 employees; 750 pilots did not get stapled and for arguments sake 1,000 mechanics did not get stapled....only 22,000 did, so I guess you're right it wasn't a staple job...it was a steamroll...lol. C'mon man you can't be serious that TWA did not get stapled we get pummelled.
Did your car get scratched at the prom ?
I think I covered all your tirades, I'll give you the last word.
But back to the thread...American Airlines merger...I feel any partner thinking about merging with American should be very afraid of their track record with Reno and TWA...there I stuck to the thread's theme.
You're turn. I'll give you the last word.
I'll see you the next time TWA is mentioned on a thread.
Regards,
FF
02-14-2008, 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
Fli Fasts words copied from page 1 of this thread.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
No one will ever know what would have happened if TWA had selected Boeing (just like Continental) as a bailout suitor or if selling their soul back to Satan-Carl Icahn would have resulted in a different ending to TWA. Don Carty and AMR offered to acquire TWA and preserve jobs. Out of 24,000, only 1,800 were saved, mostly because the NAAtive unions on the property stapled all TWA employees at the bottom of the trash can, and some of them with limited (5yr) recall rights.
I apologize.
aa73, I gave you the last word and it's "Hugs and Kisses"....hehehe. Oh well, I guess I have to get along with you. regards, hope you got your NY accent down-pat.
02-14-2008, 02:57 PM
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The bottom line is that the TWA buyout was a catastrophe for all concerned. Carty should have listened to Crandall when he said he would have sold TWA for a buck after 911. No one knows if the airline would have made it post 911 but I lay odds that it would have. TWA guys would still have their jobs, AA would have furloughed a fraction and yours truly would be a captain. Things are the way they are. In addition if 911 had not occurred things may have worked out ok in the merger.
The bottom line is that AA merger history is a complete and unmitigated no holds barred catastrophe. The current management team, as idiotic as they seem, know this. I think they will bid on another carrier only as a last resort. Picking up the pieces is a more likely result but the Tokyo hub is not as valuable as it once was with the new long range airplanes coming on line.
The bottom line is that AA merger history is a complete and unmitigated no holds barred catastrophe. The current management team, as idiotic as they seem, know this. I think they will bid on another carrier only as a last resort. Picking up the pieces is a more likely result but the Tokyo hub is not as valuable as it once was with the new long range airplanes coming on line.
02-14-2008, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by FliFast
aa73, I gave you the last word and it's "Hugs and Kisses"....hehehe. Oh well, I guess I have to get along with you. regards, hope you got your NY accent down-pat.
02-15-2008, 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by AA gear puller
I think they will bid on another carrier only as a last resort. Picking up the pieces is a more likely result but the Tokyo hub is not as valuable as it once was with the new long range airplanes coming on line.
Just wonderful!!!
Staple all of them!!!! Because now that I'm an American Pilot and finally have the "career expectation" I have always wanted as a professional pilot I want nothing and no one to stand in the way of it!!!!!!!
02-15-2008, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Not ours.
We seem to be the red-headed stepchild within ALPA.
it all stems from the Stockholm syndrome we've been carrying around since 1983.
We seem to be the red-headed stepchild within ALPA.
it all stems from the Stockholm syndrome we've been carrying around since 1983.
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