Although that is not the question I originally responded to, you are correct. If you bid MKE CA and then have buyers remorse and decide to bid back to FO you will be seat locked for 2 years. But the post I originally responded to was about being immediaey displaced to CAE in a heinous company conspiracy. Go back and read my original post along with the post I quoted and I think you will see where the confusion is. I would venture to say we are both correct. Truce?

 

Bite your tongue

 

Interesting read on this thread. As someone looking to jump from current regional the CAE announcement caught my attention as I live GSP. The only having 200s and apparent conflict regarding moral makes me think twice. Tell me Im missing something here...?

 

I wouldn’t choose a company based on 200s vs. 700s. It just doesn’t matter in the end. What does matter is that we have a little over 4 solid years left on our United contract, the ability to make good money due to work rules, great benefits, and fast movement on the seniority list. And those bonuses don’t hurt.

A pilot hired a year ago is now around 400 on the seniority list out of 550 (72%). A lot of this movement is FOs moving on to LCCs and ACMIs. Captains here have been slow to leave but the CPP (starting in Q4) will accelerate that end of things. The most junior captain is now 14 months in MKE.

Wait for a few weeks and it will be more clear how junior CAE is. If it’s another super junior base then it might be something to consider.

What do you mean when you say “conflict regarding moral”?

 

He means that you’re one of the very few left still full of kool aid singing praises about awac when most people are bailing left and right for even lateral moves to other regionals. But 4 solid years, that’s awesome, such a long term commitment United has in you, in about 2 years it’ll be like 2015-2016 again when the only thing people are talking about is “so what’s next?” And “sunrise or sunset?” Can awac survive another mass exodus when it just purged itself of 50% of its pilot force and has hired back maybe 100 pilots of what used to be almost 1000 pilots just 2 years ago. When most of your movement is desperate jumps to ULCCs from your FOs. That should be raising some eyebrows

 

I wouldn't make a lateral move to Air Wisconsin, but as someone new to 121 it's worked out well for me. I'll be seeing my upgrade right around 1000 hours (which is very easy to build here). While the QoL is definitely behind other airlines, if you are willing to put in work the rewards can be really good, all in for my first year I've made over 80,000 dollars even without the type rating bonus. If you're hoping to get in and get out while spending time with a great pilot group AW is a good place. It's sort of high risk, high reward but it's worked out so far for me.

 

I think it’s funny when these guys come on this forum and bash AWAC and yet somehow in this market when they literally have their choice of any other regional (some with direct entry into the left seat) and a slew of ULCCs they are still working here months and even years later. What’s up with that?

 

Their life priorities are not my life priorities. That’s why I packed my bags and left. I was tired of telling myself, everything is getting so much better elsewhere, and that upper management will be announcing that Delta deal again anyday now. Just be patient it’s not a carrot in a stick to get through summer. Ask around about the “big summer announcement” a few years ago when even CPs were telling people that something will guaranteed be announced shortly. When you had 1000 pilots and now only have 450-500 ish. And still have a retention issue and not just people leaving for majors, what’s up with that? Who else is having such issues beside ASA. Why is it when you fly into MKE or CAE there is always like 6-7 planes just sitting around, can’t those be staffed for flying? Just because some people are staying doesn’t address the issue that more people, mostly junior to moderate junior fo are bailing. When you have decent seniority or are on the cusp of an upgrade, it makes it a lot harder to just up and leave to start over at a place that isn’t a major to be a new hire FO again.

 

You don’t even work here anymore? Lol. How long has it been? Tell me you didn’t leave back before the United flying was even announced...

 

Peter hasn't worked here in 2 or 3 years but still sounds bitter like an ex girlfriend.