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10-20-2021, 04:01 PM
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Just talked to one of the Assistant Chief Pilots, looks like United gave us around 13k block hours instead of 15k. However, due to the amount of resignations there would still be a lot of open time. Also, another vacancy bid.
10-20-2021, 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodfather
Just talked to one of the Assistant Chief Pilots, looks like United gave us around 13k block hours instead of 15k. However, due to the amount of resignations there would still be a lot of open time. Also, another vacancy bid.
G7 and C5 also had to give flying back. That’s what Mesa is being seen in ORD this month. Which is weird cause they are also short staffed. But a lot of routes are being operated by mainline
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10-20-2021, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
The bulk of the 50 seat flying will be the 550’s. The scary part about working for Air Wisconsin is that the flying that you guys do is where they are sending the 550. There will be a few single class 50 seaters running around to small Midwest towns, but I’d expect the more densely populated areas that you guys fly to increase in gauge and eliminate the 200’s. UAX is going to shrink significantly unless a modern 50 seat replacement that is scope compliant enters production soon. The best hope for Air Wisconsin is that GoJet gives up and you guys end up with the 550’s. That’s a risky gamble when both Mesa and SkyWest have 700 training programs in place and SkyWest is facing the same threat with the future of their 200’s. The record hiring at all of the legacies is going to hit the regionals really hard. I’m guessing that the smaller companies are either eliminated, or get merged into the bigger ones. Either way, the next few years are going to be a wild ride.
G7 has the 550s for awhile. They’re not going anywhere anytime soon. Fully stocked on FOs and just like everyone else short Captains. They just announced $20K to upgrade to Captain. I’m sure they’ll give it to DECs too
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10-20-2021, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MrIncredible
G7 has the 550s for awhile. They’re not going anywhere anytime soon. Fully stocked on FOs and just like everyone else short Captains. They just announced $20K to upgrade to Captain. I’m sure they’ll give it to DECs too
Most DECs are wise enough to steer clear of G7, especially considering all of the AA WOs are hiring DECs.
10-20-2021, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ninerdriver
$20,000 won't get an FO to upgrade if they don't have 1000 hours. An FO can't get 1000 hours if they don't have captains to fly with.
Most DECs are wise enough to steer clear of G7, especially considering all of the AA WOs are hiring DECs.
Most DECs are wise enough to steer clear of G7, especially considering all of the AA WOs are hiring DECs.
Actually a wise DEC would stay clear of WOs. Why would you go to a WO as a DEC to stay at the bottom on the seniority list for years. Not to mention your 8-9 year flow to American. Keep in mind those bonuses come with a catch. You take the money, you can’t leave if UAL or FedEx calls. Unless you pay every penny back. Guess what. Most guys spend there bonuses on anything. New car, new house. It’s hard not to spend just a little
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10-21-2021, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MrIncredible
Actually a wise DEC would stay clear of WOs. Why would you go to a WO as a DEC to stay at the bottom on the seniority list for years. Not to mention your 8-9 year flow to American. Keep in mind those bonuses come with a catch. You take the money, you can’t leave if UAL or FedEx calls. Unless you pay every penny back. Guess what. Most guys spend there bonuses on anything. New car, new house. It’s hard not to spend just a little
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10-22-2021, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by GA2Jets
It just seems like you very much enjoy any opportunity you have to "call it what it is". If it's true what you say, why kick us when we're down? Whether you're right or not is one thing, why you're constantly here is another question entirely.
I remember flying with people saying “I literally can’t afford to leave, and our insurance is the best, and our 401k, and trip touching, etc.”
Fast forward to present day and those old dawgs are still barking the same bark. I am positive of that. I text with one of them. Good luck to all of you—truly mean that, but eventually some of these guys on here are correct. Air Wisconsin will eventually run out of chapters to continue to write their story.
Edit (fun fact): I’ll also add that while you’re at ZW you are led to believe that you’re an integral part of our aerospace commerce in this country. False. You’re a niche operator in niche markets and the fact of the matter is, many people don’t even know who ZW is. When I tell them where I came from. I usually have to explain it. Then they say “oh, so a regional like Endeavor.”
10-23-2021, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
The bulk of the 50 seat flying will be the 550’s. The scary part about working for Air Wisconsin is that the flying that you guys do is where they are sending the 550. There will be a few single class 50 seaters running around to small Midwest towns, but I’d expect the more densely populated areas that you guys fly to increase in gauge and eliminate the 200’s. UAX is going to shrink significantly unless a modern 50 seat replacement that is scope compliant enters production soon. The best hope for Air Wisconsin is that GoJet gives up and you guys end up with the 550’s. That’s a risky gamble when both Mesa and SkyWest have 700 training programs in place and SkyWest is facing the same threat with the future of their 200’s. The record hiring at all of the legacies is going to hit the regionals really hard. I’m guessing that the smaller companies are either eliminated, or get merged into the bigger ones. Either way, the next few years are going to be a wild ride.
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