TheGodfather

Can anyone explain why our November schedule looks very lean, is this United or self-induced?

KirillTheThrill

Well if all the Aviate hires are finally on the way out the door at AW, that’s not a good sign for longevity purposes of the UA contract. That contract is the only thing keeping the doors open atm (hopefully you can get some cargo contracts). This company has strong Compass vibes.

TheGodfather

Nice false equivocation. Doesn’t SkyWest pilots have anything better to do than go comment negative havoc upon a peer airline, Or are you guys going to continue to stall a Crj during a standard go around?

GA2Jets

The union says we had to send back a couple versions of the schedule to UA because we didn't have the staff for them. I'm lead to believe that we are losing a lot of captains and therefore have significant restrains on our staffing. It's good for AW pilots who are in Aviate but remains to be seen what it will mean for AW itself.

ZeroTT

1) AW flies only 50 seat, single class aircraft
2) AW flies only for united
3) United has said it sees no role for 50 seat, single class aircraft going forward
4) AW now has functionally-significant staffing problems in the setting of accelerating major airline hiring

Yes the outcome remains to be seen but it’s not hard to predict

GA2Jets

Ehhhh hate to quibble too much about it but 3) is wrong...they did actually say those 50 seaters have a place in the network just fewer.

But yes, it is a challenging place for the owners to be in.

ZeroTT

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepoin...view-iata/amp/

I’ll stand by #3, especially wrt single-class 50 seat. As vague as corporate “we have no plans to XXX” normally is … kirby lays out all the dots here and says we don’t want to connect them but we might have no choice

even if you charitably assume some continued role for the 200/145… which carrier wins that musical chairs game.

Hedley

The bulk of the 50 seat flying will be the 550’s. The scary part about working for Air Wisconsin is that the flying that you guys do is where they are sending the 550. There will be a few single class 50 seaters running around to small Midwest towns, but I’d expect the more densely populated areas that you guys fly to increase in gauge and eliminate the 200’s. UAX is going to shrink significantly unless a modern 50 seat replacement that is scope compliant enters production soon. The best hope for Air Wisconsin is that GoJet gives up and you guys end up with the 550’s. That’s a risky gamble when both Mesa and SkyWest have 700 training programs in place and SkyWest is facing the same threat with the future of their 200’s. The record hiring at all of the legacies is going to hit the regionals really hard. I’m guessing that the smaller companies are either eliminated, or get merged into the bigger ones. Either way, the next few years are going to be a wild ride.

Hedley

The article mentions that they don’t want to cut off towns like Erie PA or Cody WY. Erie won’t be cut off, they will just have to drive 1.5 hours to Cleveland or Buffalo, and Cody is just 2 hours from Billings. With a shortage of pilots and increasing demand, airlines are going to have to make some hard decisions since the fleet currently serving those markets is aging out, there isn’t a replacement, and staffing the current levels is just going to get more difficult as record hiring at the legacies, LCC’s, and freight companies continues.

KirillTheThrill

It’s not a false equation, and I’ve moved on from SkyWest btw. You have the oldest 200’s in the United fleet, oil prices increasing daily, we started poaching your aviate hires at UA (why now?). Compass was in a better position to grab flying before they shut down, that’s a fact.