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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BobbyHo
I think it's interpreted that since they aren't defining a future at zw in less than 12 months the airline will be shutdown and everyone will be laid-off. These jobs aren't all like going to piedmont, a class date after talking to the chief pilot, they take time to interview, time to hear back and then months for a class date in a lot of cases.

In the end, stay inside your comfort zone, don't check the box if you're not comfortable with your interpretation, but the zw mec and ual mec have told the pilot group theirs and say it's ok.


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Ual talking a majority of awac pilots will kill Americans operations.. i wouldn't be suprised if this happens. It's going to be a competition for pilots soon just like securing gas a few years ago.. survival of the fittest...

Hang on guys, good things for good people. You people are good people!
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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by MKUltra
Ual talking a majority of awac pilots will kill Americans operations.. i wouldn't be suprised if this happens. It's going to be a competition for pilots soon just like securing gas a few years ago.. survival of the fittest...
They can take AWAC pilots just fine without issuing a distressed carrier status. That line of thinking doesn't make any sense.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MKUltra
Ual talking a majority of awac pilots will kill Americans operations.. i wouldn't be suprised if this happens. It's going to be a competition for pilots soon just like securing gas a few years ago.. survival of the fittest...



Hang on guys, good things for good people. You people are good people!


HR runs hiring. They won't focus on hiring pilots from a single carrier to hurt a competitor, they're not smart enough to do that.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by MKUltra
Ual talking a majority of awac pilots will kill Americans operations.. i wouldn't be suprised if this happens. It's going to be a competition for pilots soon just like securing gas a few years ago.. survival of the fittest...

Hang on guys, good things for good people. You people are good people!
Hahah! You actually think if AWAC can't fly their airplanes it will result in "killing" AA operations? I highly doubt it! How many AWAC pilots has UA hired under "distressed carrier"? My guess is just as many as before. What about all the other distressed regional? Republic is in bankruptcy. UA app needs a regional/distressed box.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
HR runs hiring. They won't focus on hiring pilots from a single carrier to hurt a competitor, they're not smart enough to do that.
Wrong. They're smart enough NOT to do that. The scary thing about war is that there is always a loser.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
They can take AWAC pilots just fine without issuing a distressed carrier status. That line of thinking doesn't make any sense.
True and not true. Remember this whole airlineapps "points" idea was created to prevent lawsuits and unfair hiring practices. You need to hit their minimum point threshold through airlineapps. They can't just cherry-pick AWAC guys. Though this distressed carrier status may allow some captains with strong resumes to get an interview I can't believe it'll help many FOs. Perhaps those that attend United job fairs may have a chance but without knowing for sure.

Luckily the LLCs are hiring at a good pace too, so it seems everyone can leave if they so choose.

I don't mean to fan the rumor flame but I talked to a manager the other day who said he expects something announced within the month. Though no one except the board members and CD really know what's going on, it seems like there's a lot of things going on in Appleton. The CD email coupled with the email from the chairman of the board of directors make it seem as though something will happen sooner rather then later. It makes sense too if their worried United will take our captains and other regionals and LLCs will take the fos. We have about 510 pilots now and if attrition keeps up well be less than 475 by March.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 06:00 PM
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Can't wait for the we are flying for delta email. Closing all bases and opening [insert worst bases possible] , like they did with the switch from UAL to US Air
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Old 01-31-2017 | 06:06 PM
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I'm sure there are plenty of AWAC captains who have enough points, but haven't been taken regardless. Meaning, UAL hasn't exactly been in any hurry to hire people away from AA. So it doesn't make sense to correlate this supposed new agreement with the idea that UAL wants to poach from American.

And the idea/hope certainly doesn't add validity to this supposed distressed carrier arrangement either. Not a peep about any of this in that stupid fastread today either. Very frustrating.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by schmohawk
Can't wait for the we are flying for delta email. Closing all bases and opening [insert worst bases possible] , like they did with the switch from UAL to US Air
I have good news and bad news. The good news is we secured a long term contract with delta and a new pilot contract with substantial raises.

The bad news is were getting SEA and SLC bases and we had to give up our commuter policy.
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Old 01-31-2017 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sweetholyjesus
And the idea/hope certainly doesn't add validity to this supposed distressed carrier arrangement either.
It's already been said there's a lot of overthinking to this situation. Airlineapps.com is a third party tool. UAL doesn't run that website. Selecting the box is simply a way separating the tall stack of resumes. They could have also said "select that you have 99 hours on the space shuttle." It's just a way to sort the stack. Relax and move on.
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