This.

You can wait a week for it to be confirmed with an email from the MEC. That'll give you peace of mind if asked by recruiters from UAL.

I'm sure not everyone is on the same page at United Hiring.

 

You do realize that ARW has a long and great relationship with the UAL MEC? This was not some lower level ALPA buddy buddy rumor mill that made its way into a comm. This was approved at several levels. Nobody "jumped the gun" and nobody misunderstood what was happening. It takes an incredible effort to put out a comm within the association. It has to go through officers, comm specs, and attorneys. When ALPA (whether national or MEC level) puts something out, you can bet it wasn't done on a whim.

 

You are way overthinking this. 21.R is a contract provision. It can be interpreted. UAL and UAL MEC have decided to interpret it to encompass those carriers that will more than likely end up in the situation directly spoken to by this language. It is their right to do so, as it is the contract between their pilots and their management. Their MEC has worked out an agreement with their management to allow us to use this provision. The wording on airline apps or in the contract is irrelevant as far as we are concerned. UAL MEC gave us permission to check the box...period. Nobody in their MEC made this up. Their reputations and credibility with their company would be at stake too. It would hurt them far more than us.

United is not going to pull your app, score additional points on it because you selected the box, send out an interview request just to bring you in and ask why you selected the box. They know we aren't out of business. Believe me, they know exactly who is allowed to check that box. There are only a small number of ALPA carriers that have truly gone out of business and would qualify for that. If they see all 575 AWAC pilots select the box and they don't know why, believe me, they will find out and fix it. They aren't going to "blacklist" you for it. Again, your MEC told you to check the box. Either check the box or don't.

 

Were at 514 as of today

 

You say this with so much certainty, yet you haven't heard a single peep from UAL hiring, UAL MEC, or any UAL management. All you've heard are two completely opposite stories from our own bickering MEC and management. You'd think if United were really on board, they would make a simple amendment to their online application so Awac pilots wouldn't have to make such a silly looking addition to their apps. I still can't believe ARW is telling people to say that they were laid off on their apps..

And now so many people are willing to put a completely untrue statement on their app because of a FB post.

Very strange times indeed.

 

Can anybody recommend a good AME in the ORF area?

 

Dr Richard Carlson... works out of the Mid Atlantic Eye Care Center in VB. Great dude, quick exam, reasonable price.

 

Awesome! Thank you!

 

I think it's interpreted that since they aren't defining a future at zw in less than 12 months the airline will be shutdown and everyone will be laid-off. These jobs aren't all like going to piedmont, a class date after talking to the chief pilot, they take time to interview, time to hear back and then months for a class date in a lot of cases.

In the end, stay inside your comfort zone, don't check the box if you're not comfortable with your interpretation, but the zw mec and ual mec have told the pilot group theirs and say it's ok.


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I HOPE this is really happening to help awac pilots. But UAL MEC hasn't told the awac pilot group anything. We have no official communication from anyone at United. We have no official communication citing any names or offices of United personnel (Ex: Director of Hiring) to provide accountability. We also have no emails or announcements sent directly from UAL personnel OR ALPA (non-ARW).

And unfortunately there is no contract language supporting anything you just posted. In fact, the very language ARW cited in their email directly opposes the idea that awac is distressed. The UAL contract language is very specific to say that the pilot must have been laid off/unemployed due to carrier shutdown. If you have a job for at least the next 12 months and the company is negotiating a CPA, that doesn't sound like you have been laid off.....

The last two days have been very silent from all sides. With so much confusion that's a huge disservice to the workforce, for both the company and the union.