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Old 05-27-2014 | 09:27 AM
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Ok, I'll bite. I haven't worked at AWAC for 5 years, happily at Jetblue. Let me tell you this... look at the industry. LOOK! When you work for an airline you get all google eyed about best case scenarios but really examine the industry and the fate of air wisconsin is plain as day. It will be done, kaput, 6 feet under, a goner, hasta la vista, dead as a doornail sooner rather then later. There is a chance that some semblance of the airline will be around in 5 years, but probably not. Something big, really big has to happen for them to remain at all relevant... think replace all 50 seats jets with embriars big, or CRJ-900... and then look and ask yourself do you see that happening at AWAC. You have 6 older men that own the company and made billions... why would they re-invest that money? The returns on regional jet flying are smaller then ever, they have no stock holders to pander to, so why do it?

When I was at AWAC I saw multiple united RFP's go up in smoke, the midwest RFP, and I'm sure countless others all failed. So next year when the leases start expiring what do you expect to happen? United MUST reduce 50 seat flying per the pilot contract in order to recieve more 70/90 seaters, American is capped, Delta certainly doesn't want them. They are un-economical aircraft that cost a lot to operate, and are being replaced ASAP. The contract and leases are expiring providing a no cost way for american to rid itself of aircraft it doesn't want.

This is no slam to the pilots, some of the best I have worked with, but stop seeing all the roses and look at the real future ahead.
AT THE LEAST, this is the post of the week! Regionals are either going to die out or have to change. Do your research and don't get caught at a dying regional. Life at all of them suck, so you might as well find one where you can get an upgrade. Frankly, I'd rather drive a cab, than be a regional FO again. That's how bad it is.
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Old 05-27-2014 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FL451
I wouldn't put any stock in the rumor that 10 airplanes are being returned to the lease holder which is probably just a entity owned by the mystic six pack anyway.

Airways keeps asking AWAC to cover more flying BUT you can only do so much with 71 birds so I would say it is more likely that more AC show up on property.

I work here. I like it here and I have helped friends get jobs here. If you don't like it you can leave at anytime. Check your work rules, top tier health insurance, and 8% company 401K contribution at the door.
Haha...how long have u worked here homie? I'm gonna go with max 2 yrs, prob less right? I bet you r the cat who drops off all the aopa and alpa mags in the cockpit too? Make it a point to get your grocery shopping done in your uni too I bet? I know what our contract says, I have worked under it since 2006. I certainly don't need someone who refers to these pos airplanes as "birds" to hit the bullet points for me. The reply I made was in regard to a single dude, much like yourself I bet, who in an effort to feel better about his sheety career outlook at Awac, left out many of the negatives associated with this joint. I didnt say Awac is the worst place in the world currently. I just wouldn't hold my breath on its future. Hope we get to fly together in the future, it would be a great time I'm sure...esp for u.
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Old 05-27-2014 | 10:44 AM
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Not flame bait, just on honest question. I think all the points of why AWAC doesn't seem to make sense going forward without massive changes to buissness model, or some massive rabbit in the hat deal like the airways one in 05 are pretty reasonable comments. However...

If AWAC fell off the face of the earth in 2015 and 71 200s went to the desert who would cover the 12-15k departures per month?

AWAC may be private and thus can keep all plans a secret until the day of, but the rest of the regionals aren't. When would we start to see a ramp up in operations/announcement of such, in one of the other regionals to cover this feed and which regional is currently in the best to absorb it?
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Old 05-27-2014 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by l2flare
Not flame bait, just on honest question. I think all the points of why AWAC doesn't seem to make sense going forward without massive changes to buissness model, or some massive rabbit in the hat deal like the airways one in 05 are pretty reasonable comments. However...

If AWAC fell off the face of the earth in 2015 and 71 200s went to the desert who would cover the 12-15k departures per month?

AWAC may be private and thus can keep all plans a secret until the day of, but the rest of the regionals aren't. When would we start to see a ramp up in operations/announcement of such, in one of the other regionals to cover this feed and which regional is currently in the best to absorb it?
Isn't PSA getting 30+ crj900 aircraft? Isn't republic get 30+ e175s? Isn't American shopping 60-100 more e175s?
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Old 05-27-2014 | 02:46 PM
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Yep . Between Psa , rjet and the additional 175 s American has coming they will have no problem covering the flying after Wisconsin goes away in 2015
The handwriting is on the wall, alot of people are in denial.
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Old 05-27-2014 | 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by idlethrust
Yep . Between Psa , rjet and the additional 175 s American has coming they will have no problem covering the flying after Wisconsin goes away in 2015
The handwriting is on the wall, alot of people are in denial.
This coming from a guy who didn't make it to the interview. ..
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Old 05-27-2014 | 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchtrim
This coming from a guy who didn't make it to the interview. ..
Was curious about this myself.

With that argument, if we're already here, yet in denial, what does that make someone who isn't even on the seniority list but still wants to interview? Certifiably insane?
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Old 05-27-2014 | 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by exdashtrash
Was curious about this myself.

With that argument, if we're already here, yet in denial, what does that make someone who isn't even on the seniority list but still wants to interview? Certifiably insane?
I didn't say when I was supposed to interview there.It was awhile back but yes they tried to send me standby and I never got there.
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Old 05-27-2014 | 04:25 PM
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Air wis offered me an interview a couple weeks ago.I could not get there due to the fact all the flights were full and I live in a major city.7 or 8 flights a day to PHL and 4 or 5 flown with rjs.I tried twice on two different days and could not get on any flights. Good luck with that s9 standby lol.The revenue standbys will constantly bump you off.


A while back is a couple weeks?? Go to mesa or brownstreak
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Old 05-27-2014 | 04:51 PM
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Air wis offered me an interview a couple weeks ago.I could not get there due to the fact all the flights were full and I live in a major city.7 or 8 flights a day to PHL and 4 or 5 flown with rjs.I tried twice on two different days and could not get on any flights. Good luck with that s9 standby lol.The revenue standbys will constantly bump you off.


A while back is a couple weeks?? Go to mesa or brownstreak
Nope.Already have a good gig on the table.Based at home .It was more than a couple weeks ago bit who cares besides you.Youre probably just mad mesa or blue streak turned you down .Besides the guys at Mesa or blue streak will still have a job long after your prestigious air whiskey and the likes of you are long gone punk ass chump
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