What's the Plan?
11-22-2017 | 10:52 PM
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The capacity will be flown. If not by one carrier, then by another. There will be jobs, and if the company that was paying less than the average is the one that suffers, then those jobs will be better as a result.
If the lower-paying companies are eliminated, the average compensation goes up. This is good for labor.
If the lower-paying companies are eliminated, the average compensation goes up. This is good for labor.
Right?
11-22-2017 | 11:35 PM
#72
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So, "Hey, there will still be jobs; granted, it's likely they won't still be concentrated in the same places, so people will have to uproot their families, they'll be starting over in seniority, so they'll be taking huge paycuts, and in some cases they just won't have a job because someone else at a competitor already does what they do. But I got mine, so that's all that matters."
Right?
Right?
You have to break some eggs to make an omelette. "It's just business." Isn't that what we were told with regards to our contract? It applies to other situations as well. If a weak company can't find a way to treat its employees in a way that maintains enough morale to keep from imploding... Well, that's just business.
It stands to reason the the companies that can pay well for pilots should pay well for other workers as well. It's for this reason that every time a regional airline dies, it's a net gain for the industry and its workers.
11-22-2017 | 11:37 PM
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So, "Hey, there will still be jobs; granted, it's likely they won't still be concentrated in the same places, so people will have to uproot their families, they'll be starting over in seniority, so they'll be taking huge paycuts, and in some cases they just won't have a job because someone else at a competitor already does what they do. But I got mine, so that's all that matters."
Right?
Right?
11-23-2017 | 12:57 AM
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Nope, but then again, not everyone chose to pursue a career that requires that.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
11-23-2017 | 04:58 AM
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11-23-2017 | 08:29 AM
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Nope, but then again, not everyone chose to pursue a career that requires that.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
11-23-2017 | 09:18 AM
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It isn't "screw the company". The company already agreed to the terms. It's the company that continually violates the contract, not the other way around. Companies can also file grievances... but they never do, because the pilot group doesn't violate the contract, and if they do, it's to "help the company".
This is all union 101...
11-23-2017 | 09:20 AM
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Nope, but then again, not everyone chose to pursue a career that requires that.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
There was a plate of 10 cookies in the room. B&B took 9 of them. When I try to pick up mine, they look at you and scream "he's trying to take all of the cookies! You're not going to get one because of him!" Nope. I'm not here to subsidize my coworkers with my labor. I'd like to be paid fairly for what I do, and a company with a profit margin like ours can afford to do that.
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11-23-2017 | 09:29 AM
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Nope, but then again, not everyone chose to pursue a career that requires that.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
Everything else you listed?
This may come as quite a shock to you, but those are things that JUST ABOUT EVERY OTHER CO-WORKER OF YOURS DEALS WITH.
Look, I'm not here to argue; I know pilots are damned important, and aren't easily replaced. But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
Also you are being very disrespectful of this community here by not identifying what type of employee you are. If you told me you are a new CSA I might understand, but I don’t think you are...
11-23-2017 | 09:30 AM
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But using that excuse as rationale to say things like "No waivers! No favors! Fly the contract!" which really means, "I'm willing to screw over my customers and co-workers so I can show management I'm ticked that I didn't get everything I wanted!" isn't a great way to exhibit the value you bring to the table.
The contract is a document agreed by both sides-signed and sealed. You’re implying that “flying the contract” is a job action. Be careful what you say on here because your boss is watching. Flying the contract means abiding by the rules set forth by both sides. I can only hope the company abides the contract but we all know they don’t. The company violates multiple sections of the contract each and everyday. So you are implying that company’s actions are justified while the pilot’s actions are wreckless. Once again, you have no valid argument.
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