SLI reality check fo VX
02-01-2018 | 03:12 PM
#101
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Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
02-01-2018 | 05:36 PM
#102
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Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
Try this: "We're all in this together. I hope it works out as best as possible for all". Or: "You're going to get hosed. Haha".
One view point makes you a useless POS, like Mea25000. The other makes you human.
The fat lady will eventually sing and we'll have our answer. It should not take superpowers to be nice to one another.
02-01-2018 | 05:44 PM
#103
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Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
02-01-2018 | 06:58 PM
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Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
02-01-2018 | 07:17 PM
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I sincerely hope Alaska & Virgin have strong analysis capabilities—clearing showing data without cherry picking will pay dividends in the long-term. There will be less suicides this way.
02-02-2018 | 06:47 AM
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I probably wasn't very clear. My point was VX ALPA allowed VX pilots to upgrade out of seniority. The 30 year 9 year was a generalization. Our top guys are 30+ years. Our seniority has always been based on DOH. So whats wrong with using DOH as the gold standard. Having pilots jump over 10+ years up the list is a windfall for that group.
02-02-2018 | 07:11 AM
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I probably wasn't very clear. My point was VX ALPA allowed VX pilots to upgrade out of seniority. The 30 year 9 year was a generalization. Our top guys are 30+ years. Our seniority has always been based on DOH. So whats wrong with using DOH as the gold standard. Having pilots jump over 10+ years up the list is a windfall for that group.
VX will not agree to DOH and the arbitrator will not award DOH, so why bother talking about it?
02-02-2018 | 08:47 AM
#108
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I probably wasn't very clear. My point was VX ALPA allowed VX pilots to upgrade out of seniority. The 30 year 9 year was a generalization. Our top guys are 30+ years. Our seniority has always been based on DOH. So whats wrong with using DOH as the gold standard. Having pilots jump over 10+ years up the list is a windfall for that group.
02-02-2018 | 11:01 AM
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I give up it will be what it will be. Hope the arbitrator sees what each side brings to the table and accounts for that.
02-02-2018 | 04:22 PM
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Ok but wasn't Vx an ALPA carrier? My understanding is VX ALPA's main goals was/is to protect jobs and seniority. WTF over. Now VX is demanding a relative seniority list. Putting a 9 year guy next to a 30 year guy. Give me a break. Can you say labor discord! We all saw the USAIR, AWA freak show. DOH avoids a windfall. We all started with a DOH. So let DOH be the gold standard.
I probably wasn't very clear. My point was VX ALPA allowed VX pilots to upgrade out of seniority. The 30 year 9 year was a generalization. Our top guys are 30+ years. Our seniority has always been based on DOH. So whats wrong with using DOH as the gold standard. Having pilots jump over 10+ years up the list is a windfall for that group.
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