SLI reality check fo VX
01-30-2018 | 05:21 PM
#81
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SLI reality check fo VX
Anyone claiming to know how the SLI will play out has no real credibility. They may or may not be in the know but APC sure isn't the place to post insider information.
In regards to VX pilots' windfall, it's 100% true. You have to give Mea some credit because he's right on. VX pilots would have never negotiated a 40% pay raise on their own to begin with. Many VXers claim that this is their 4th+ airline but why is that? Let's face it, many who ended up at VX are undesirables and the rest were using VX as a stepping stone. A normal person with an average or better IQ doesn't choose VX over the big boys and/or Alaska. VXers can cry all they want but you guys scored BIG. To reiterate, windfall=40%+ pay raise, a 401K worth a damn, and a job. You all could have just gone the way of Aloha. Accept reality and move on.
In regards to VX pilots' windfall, it's 100% true. You have to give Mea some credit because he's right on. VX pilots would have never negotiated a 40% pay raise on their own to begin with. Many VXers claim that this is their 4th+ airline but why is that? Let's face it, many who ended up at VX are undesirables and the rest were using VX as a stepping stone. A normal person with an average or better IQ doesn't choose VX over the big boys and/or Alaska. VXers can cry all they want but you guys scored BIG. To reiterate, windfall=40%+ pay raise, a 401K worth a damn, and a job. You all could have just gone the way of Aloha. Accept reality and move on.
Yeah, dare you to repeat this in front of me.
Yeah, we VXers sure got a windfall, working now for a company that 98% of our pilots never would have applied to, yeah real fortunate.
Just doing my time until the next merger.
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01-30-2018 | 05:37 PM
#82
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Timing is important but it isn't everything. I could have gone to VX and some of my FOs and others from the regionals did. It's a choice. The excuse of "no one but VX was hiring" is poor at best and you know it. The marketable and able bodied were getting hired at more desirable airlines, hence the word "undesirables". Regardless of how and why you ended up at VX, it matters no more. This discussion is about windfall and VXers got a big one.
Go F U C K yourself.
01-30-2018 | 05:50 PM
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Hey bubba, you have data to show this? You speak out of both ends and sound pretty defensive. Alaskan's QOL does suck and soon, you'll be kissing PBS goodbye which will make things even worse for y'all. Spirit is hiring and it looks like they'll be getting PBS. Why don't you apply there? PBS, fly the bus, quick upgrades, work rules to suit your needs, and on par quality wise with ex-VX. Merger/acquisiton seems to be your thing since it appears that's the only way you'll ever work at anywhere decent. Otherwise, shut your pie hole and enjoy the ride.
01-30-2018 | 06:02 PM
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Timing is important but it isn't everything. I could have gone to VX and some of my FOs and others from the regionals did. It's a choice. The excuse of "no one but VX was hiring" is poor at best and you know it. The marketable and able bodied were getting hired at more desirable airlines, hence the word "undesirables". Regardless of how and why you ended up at VX, it matters no more. This discussion is about windfall and VXers got a big one.
Good luck to you guys.
01-30-2018 | 06:06 PM
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Hey bubba, you have data to show this? You speak out of both ends and sound pretty defensive. Alaskan's QOL does suck and soon, you'll be kissing PBS goodbye which will make things even worse for y'all. Spirit is hiring and it looks like they'll be getting PBS. Why don't you apply there? PBS, fly the bus, quick upgrades, work rules to suit your needs, and on par quality wise with ex-VX. Merger/acquisiton seems to be your thing since it appears that's the only way you'll ever work at anywhere decent. Otherwise, shut your pie hole and enjoy the ride.
Shut my pie hole? Ha! Really, who talks like that?
Ask anybody from VX prior to the announced buy out if they applied to Alaska, if you get more than 3-5% I’d be shocked. Seems Alaska folks seem to think EVERYBODY wants to work there when unless you live in the PNW, the opposite would be closer to the truth.
Funny how life works. My checks are signed by the very people that tried to keep me from feeding my family, twice. Even more ironically, I’m represented by another groups that did much the same thing.
To some of you, I got a windfall. To me, my career turned into just a job, a common feeling among VXers actually. If we wanted to work for a glorified regional we would would have applied.
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01-30-2018 | 06:38 PM
#87
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According to the LA Times, its a done deal. Relative seniority.
http://www.latimes.com/business/alpa-negotiates-relative-seniority-merger-between-alaska-and-virgin-america-pilots
http://www.latimes.com/business/alpa-negotiates-relative-seniority-merger-between-alaska-and-virgin-america-pilots
01-30-2018 | 08:26 PM
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Anyone claiming to know how the SLI will play out has no real credibility. They may or may not be in the know but APC sure isn't the place to post insider information.
In regards to VX pilots' windfall, it's 100% true. You have to give Mea some credit because he's right on. VX pilots would have never negotiated a 40% pay raise on their own to begin with. Many VXers claim that this is their 4th+ airline but why is that? Let's face it, many who ended up at VX are undesirables and the rest were using VX as a stepping stone. A normal person with an average or better IQ doesn't choose VX over the big boys and/or Alaska. VXers can cry all they want but you guys scored BIG. To reiterate, windfall=40%+ pay raise, a 401K worth a damn, and a job. You all could have just gone the way of Aloha. Accept reality and move on.
In regards to VX pilots' windfall, it's 100% true. You have to give Mea some credit because he's right on. VX pilots would have never negotiated a 40% pay raise on their own to begin with. Many VXers claim that this is their 4th+ airline but why is that? Let's face it, many who ended up at VX are undesirables and the rest were using VX as a stepping stone. A normal person with an average or better IQ doesn't choose VX over the big boys and/or Alaska. VXers can cry all they want but you guys scored BIG. To reiterate, windfall=40%+ pay raise, a 401K worth a damn, and a job. You all could have just gone the way of Aloha. Accept reality and move on.
01-30-2018 | 08:39 PM
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I have to say it takes a lot for me to engage on these forums, but calling my co-workers, many of which I consider some of the best professionals in the industry, "undesirable", really strikes a chord with me. Unless you've lived under a rock for the last 18 years you know very well the cards that have been dealt to many in this industry. Think of any airline who has gone tango uniform or has furloughed since 9/11 and we have some of those folks here at VX. Not to mention the long list of USAF Academy, Naval Academy, etc.. aviators that work within our ranks. The last word I would ever use to describe those people here is "undesirable". You ought to be ashamed of yourself dude.
A pilot group who has traditionally rolled over on all fours and taken it **, dare to call VX group "undesirable"?!! *!!
A pilot group who has traditionally rolled over on all fours and taken it **, dare to call VX group "undesirable"?!! *!!
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01-30-2018 | 08:39 PM
#90
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From: 787
I’ll be sure to let my Captain who flew fighters and taught in the United States Air Force serving our country that he’s an “undesirable”, as you say. I guess all the Midwest Airlines guys and gals, Aloha, ABX, Usair, TWA/AA , etc etc ... were all just a bunch of undesirables baby!
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